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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby captaincolly » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:36 pm

westoelad wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
westoelad wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:you might be surprised at what a cheap overseas player costs these days

I nearly fell over when I discovered that England central contracters earn 700K before they start earning bonuses

I'm sure Harmy and co were on 250K, and that would only have been in 2009





So if Harmy's 4 year contract cost £1m it's no wonder we were in a financial mess..

And I think Harker negotiated a lower annual salary in exchange for a long term contract! At least that was his defence when it became apparent the deal was a disaster! So the likes of Benks and Diva may even have been on more than 20k-although they were certainly worth it.


I thought at the time that could be the only justification for a 4year contract. Some 15 years ago a minimum salary for a capped player was £36k with annual salary increments. Bearing in mind the salary cap is £2m, and that includes add ons, only exceptional players can be on anything like £200k.
Interesting article on 2012 salaries.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... ially.html

Very interesting read. Surrey turnover figure over 20 million!
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby Durhamfootman » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:04 pm

yeah, I spotted that.

Certainly they are in the right place for commercial investment and sponsorship, and doubtless they work very hard to bring that money in, but the guaranteed test match staging agreement has to help when selling the benefits of the oval to would be investors/sponsors.

Fortunately for their bank balance, they don't seem to be obliged to pay a stinking fortune to take a crappy old test match in May that nobody else wants when hosting their ashes tests/India tests/Saffer tests/Pakistan tests at the height of summer
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby captaincolly » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:16 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:yeah, I spotted that.

Certainly they are in the right place for commercial investment and sponsorship, and doubtless they work very hard to bring that money in, but the guaranteed test match staging agreement has to help when selling the benefits of the oval to would be investors/sponsors.

Fortunately for their bank balance, they don't seem to be obliged to pay a stinking fortune to take a crappy old test match in May that nobody else wants when hosting their ashes tests/India tests/Saffer tests/Pakistan tests at the height of summer

Yep. I'd have thought that the guaranteed test arrangement should mean they have to host some of the less box office friendly games, they'd almost certainly still get big crowds.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby westoelad » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:18 pm

They make £9.3m from non-cricket conference events in the close season, plus sell out T20's. They're the only solvent County and they've got a proposal on the table for the next meeting of counties for compensation for poached players to be set at double the the salary that the poached player has been offered by his current club- that's in response to Sibley leaving.
Players have the right like any employee to change employer but compensation should be due and that seems a sensible amount.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby southwood » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:51 pm

captaincolly wrote:
westoelad wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:you might be surprised at what a cheap overseas player costs these days

I nearly fell over when I discovered that England central contracters earn 700K before they start earning bonuses

I'm sure Harmy and co were on 250K, and that would only have been in 2009

So if Harmy's 4 year contract cost £1m it's no wonder we were in a financial mess..

And I think Harker negotiated a lower annual salary in exchange for a long term contract! At least that was his defence when it became apparent the deal was a disaster! So the likes of Benks and Diva may even have been on more than 20k-although they were certainly worth it.


Harmy's contract was £6k spread over 4 years . £2.5k in year 1 and decreased to about £1.2k in year 4.Don't forget he also went to yorks on loan for while so a small saving was made there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket ... 327441.stm
There should also have been some parachute payments by ECB early on.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby southwood » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:05 pm

The main issue for Durham finances was the cumulative effect of Harmison ,Onions,Collingwood and Plunkett all coming off central contracts in a relatively short period of time and having other high waged players on the books too. The breach of the wages cap is evidence of that.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby westoelad » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:04 pm

You mean £600k SW (autocorrect I assume) although the £6k would have been more realistic. I reckon he took less than 60 wickets in that 4 year period so even that is more than £100 per wicket. In reality £10000 per wicket. Nice one ,David.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby southwood » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:11 pm

westoelad wrote:You mean £600k SW (autocorrect I assume) although the £6k would have been more realistic. I reckon he took less than 60 wickets in that 4 year period so even that is more than £100 per wicket. In reality £10000 per wicket. Nice one ,David.

Yes £600k :facepalm
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby westoelad » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:08 pm

Middlesex are relegated and Tim O'Gorman doesn't half slate them,specifically Fraser although not named.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41644508
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby captaincolly » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:15 pm

westoelad wrote:Middlesex are relegated and Tim O'Gorman doesn't half slate them,specifically Fraser although not named.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41644508

I wonder if that will be the end of it or Middlesex will keep trying?
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby westoelad » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:53 pm

captaincolly wrote:
westoelad wrote:Middlesex are relegated and Tim O'Gorman doesn't half slate them,specifically Fraser although not named.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41644508

I wonder if that will be the end of it or Middlesex will keep trying?

Middlesex response
http://www.middlesexccc.com/news/2017/o ... decision/k
Mr O'Gorman has explained quite explicitly how he's reached his decision and that there's nothing unjust at all with the penalty.
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby captaincolly » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:58 pm

westoelad wrote:
captaincolly wrote:
westoelad wrote:Middlesex are relegated and Tim O'Gorman doesn't half slate them,specifically Fraser although not named.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41644508

I wonder if that will be the end of it or Middlesex will keep trying?

Middlesex response
http://www.middlesexccc.com/news/2017/o ... decision/k
Mr O'Gorman has explained quite explicitly how he's reached his decision and that there's nothing unjust at all with the penalty.

So the saga is at an end. Wonder if any Middlesex players will be triggering relegation clauses!
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby Durhamfootman » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:00 pm

good point

Gravesy has a shed load of money, burning a hole in his pocket
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:00 am

Durhamfootman wrote:good point

Gravesy has a shed load of money, burning a hole in his pocket


Yorkshire are going back to the days of not signing anyone born outside of the county
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Re: County Cricket 2017 season

Postby westoelad » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:59 am

Alviro Patterson wrote:
Durhamfootman wrote:good point

Gravesy has a shed load of money, burning a hole in his pocket


Yorkshire are going back to the days of not signing anyone born outside of the county

Now all they have to do is find some scouts and coaches e.g. Silverwood, Rhodes, Sharp, McGrath, who can identify and develop the vast amount of young talent which undoubtedly exists within the county.
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