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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:50 pm

Difficult to say, even if the TV rights are substantially higher than last time. I am quite surprised Sky have signed up to a long term deal on the back of a competition that has yet to have team names or players, let alone a ball being bowled.

Should the City Based tournament not take off, do Sky:
Demand a portion of their money back
Obtain exclusive rights
Dictate the Twenty20 Blast in terms of format and coverage (i.e. a season long tournament?)
Demand more England internationals to make up the shortfall?
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:47 am

Slipstream wrote: In 2015 Graves, Harrison and Strauss came together and by the end of 2016 the ECB starting losing millions, before the idea of the 100 came about. That is after having reserves of £70m for quite a number of years. I remember reading an article about it by Dobell that has since disappeared. Is the answer to the ECB's losses? They are in big trouble if it is not the answer.


Its key to point out that to some extent the cash reserves reducing is entirely expected, and entirely normal. The ECB run on four year cycles of Ashes series. These series build up a surplus and its only natural that, as they fade through less glamorous series in the next 4 years, they make less money. The Ashes money then dwindles away to keep them warm through the winter. I think it has always been thus. The worrying thing however, is that in the last 5-6 years, the ECB doubled up on Ashes series at home. When they had double bank in 2013/2015 they happily sold that double dip profits as them being brilliant businessman (When in reality it had nothing to do with them), but on the same measure one now has to ask if they have burnt through all the cash starting with double, how will they cope going forward on half that income? That is the worry. The original plan was to keep the 2015 money in reserves to cover problems moving forward, now there is nothing. Its seemingly been spent.

It would appear that, despite signing a huge deal for TV money, and having two of its cash cow series where there would usually be one, and a bloody world cup event, the ECB are still overspending. The question is, where the hell is this money going??? How can someone underestimate a budget by 4 times the amount?

In the shorter term though, this years series in England will reline the pockets. So the initial hit of the 100s costs will be avoided. Its the 3 years after where reality will bite hard, if its a failure.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:58 am

Durhamfootman wrote:the counties had £1.2M waved under their noses. hard to criticise them at a time when many have big debts


They were also promised an extension to the current blast, with an additional 2 home matches bringing in extra money, but in October I believe the move was not included in the plan with the blast to stay in its current format. So it seems already one promise to the counties has been dropped. There simply wasnt enough time to increase games, so not sure why they bought it.

Im sure tickets for Second XI 50 over games with no player imports will sell like hotcakes.

Alviro Patterson wrote:Should the City Based tournament not take off, do Sky:


Arthur uses the word "Murky", but it has been announced that Sky will have "input" into a lot of the competition criteria, such as choice of venues/teams/format. Sky havent only bought the rights to show the cricket, they have bought the rights seemingly to define how the competition operates. And, who will actually own the Franchises? I havent worked that out yet, I doubt the ECB can own them all or run them, so that leads to the question about who will be appointed to filter off the profits to be made, and take them away from the game.

At this point, you start to answer your own questions about Sky's motivations. No doubt they have taken a risk, but they will be getting their cut of the pie from all levels, no doubt.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:06 am

Durhamfootman wrote:and....... in order to make the 8 matches really worthwhile, the counties that have been stripped of their best players for 2 months by the franchises, will not be allowed to bring any overseas players to improve the quality of the competition, in case they become more exciting than the franchise event


Yes, its a really bizarre decision that smashes a blow into the counties in the peak summer. The new overseas players rule seems like wanton protectionism, and is simply unnecessary. It also uncovers how ridiculous the thinking is from the ECB. They want to devalue their competition to the 100, but that competition is also the entities that are providing the talent to the format. Steering people away from the gates of county grounds will not help them in the long run.

Interesting bit of market research that was reported (and since October the article has been pulled, I wonder why) a few months back...... the vast majority of cricket fans living in rural areas indicate through polling that 15 miles would be too far to travel to a 100 game.

If thats true, then you have a massive amount of county fans around the county who are then given two choices 1. Travel to a 100 game, which as stated, no one wants to do..... 2. Go watch the 2nd XI play next door. Its currently the second option, watch the blast of OD games locally, that keep CC from collapsing.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:28 am

And obviously there is an additional layer to this; the blast v the 100. The blast keeps many counties from complete financial ruin. Is it likely that two competing competitions diluting fan purchasing power can exist?

The reality is, for this to be considered a success from all angle, the Franchises must be able to almost instantly find a new fan base in emerging urban markets, taken from people who currently do not care one jot for cricket. Not only do they have to get these people interested enough to give passing reference to the competition, but they have to get these people through the gates, consuming merchandise, and filling the stands. Is that very likely?

If they dont do that, then its down to the existing cricket fans, who lets be frank, are very skeptical towards the competition. If the 100 is a sell out for all matches, largely taken from people like us, then comes an additional secondary question; can I then spend the time and money to go watch Sussex in the blast? To follow both competitions would mean trawling through 30 matches. To follow the 100 would mean not going to see the counties in 50 overs. Something has to give here, the vast majority of the public wont be flogged to death on both accounts. Cricket fans will vote with their feet, and that will be to give primacy to one set of fixtures. Both will dilute the other, and quite clearly as time progresses, one competition will carry more prestige.

If the 100 wins, its the death of county cricket. The money that goes directly to counties will be diluted through the various stakeholders of franchise cricket, and without the likely hood of en mass new fans, the returns will be skimmed through various channels and arrive back into county cricket as a much smaller paycheck. And counties simply cant handle a smaller paycheck.

If the Blast wins? Yippie for counties, no? Well no. The ECB have put so much money into making the 100 a success, they make crippling losses, and then cant pay the counties for the damage the competition caused to the counties bottom lines. So while the counties might retain to some extent its best cash making asset moving forward, the temporary damage to the whole system could cause everything to crash down.

Literally the only way this works is to attract new fans in massive numbers, and to attract them from ball one. Otherwise, someone has to fall. And with the ECB and the counties so reliant on each others fortunes, the collapse of either will be like a domino effect.

The 100 is a crazy, risky and frankly unloved idea. It makes zero sense. I simply cant see how it doesnt completely destroy the historical structure of cricket in this country. But too much is invested in it now to pull out. Why oh why didnt they just put a few more blast games into the mix, raise the foreign import per team to 8 starters, and just go with that.

Id take great pleasure in watching the ECB collapse, but then again, when Sussex go down with them I am not going to get any pleasure from that.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:44 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Literally the only way this works is to attract new fans in massive numbers, and to attract them from ball one. Otherwise, someone has to fall. And with the ECB and the counties so reliant on each others fortunes, the collapse of either will be like a domino effect.


well, thank goodness the ECB are professional enough and effective enough to make this happen :facepalm

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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:11 pm

sussexpob wrote:
The 100 is a crazy, risky and frankly unloved idea. It makes zero sense. I simply cant see how it doesnt completely destroy the historical structure of cricket in this country. But too much is invested in it now to pull out. Why oh why didnt they just put a few more blast games into the mix, raise the foreign import per team to 8 starters, and just go with that.

because they can't compete with the IPL and they can't tap into the Indian market either at home, or abroad, because the IPL/BCCI won't allow Indian players to play in any other domestic T20 league

so they've decided to re-invent the wheel and are hoping that it will have the success of the last wheel they invented, but also that this time they will be able to keep hold of the format and not lose control of it or meekly surrender the money it might generate, to other more visionary boards. The T20 idea was a complete winner but the ECB didn't know how to turn it into a massive money making behemoth. They now think they do, but it's too late and they can't turn back time, so they're trying something else and throwing everything at it, in the hope that they can replicate the success of the T20

what's daft about the gamble is that they seem intent on putting all the eggs in one basket, when what they could have done was completely divorce the 100 from the county season and allow the existing cricket fans to engage with the very best county cricket, played in the very best of conditions, whilst using the 100 purely as a vehicle to introduce cricket to a new generation of future fans. Okay, the county product would be watered down because the best county players would be filtered away for a few weeks, but that often happens with international call ups anyway, and the existing county fans are, in my experience, used to this and are generally quite sanguine about younger players being given opportunities to come through into the senior side. That all feels like a win-win to me as long as the Blast and the 100 are kept apart in the season
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:13 pm

Durhamfootman wrote:
sussexpob wrote:
Literally the only way this works is to attract new fans in massive numbers, and to attract them from ball one. Otherwise, someone has to fall. And with the ECB and the counties so reliant on each others fortunes, the collapse of either will be like a domino effect.


well, thank goodness the ECB are professional enough and effective enough to make this happen :facepalm

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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:22 pm

exactly what cricket wants from their guardians of the game
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:28 am

sussexpob wrote:
Alviro Patterson wrote:Should the City Based tournament not take off, do Sky:


Arthur uses the word "Murky", but it has been announced that Sky will have "input" into a lot of the competition criteria, such as choice of venues/teams/format. Sky havent only bought the rights to show the cricket, they have bought the rights seemingly to define how the competition operates. And, who will actually own the Franchises? I havent worked that out yet, I doubt the ECB can own them all or run them, so that leads to the question about who will be appointed to filter off the profits to be made, and take them away from the game.

At this point, you start to answer your own questions about Sky's motivations. No doubt they have taken a risk, but they will be getting their cut of the pie from all levels, no doubt.


Reported that the ECB will own the City Based teams to begin with, but will consider selling them on to private investors in the future. What's not to say current owners of football clubs (West Ham, Newcastle, Bristol City, Sheffield) want a city based cricket team, start dictating they want a 22 group match league and the tournament played between early June and early August?

Standard county players would jump at the chance to earn £100k for two months work and hope to get in on other overseas tournaments. It would make Kerry Packer's World Series look like little league baseball.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby captaincolly » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:09 pm

According to The Times the new competition will have IPL style strategic timeouts ...despite the fact that one main reason for playing the 100 ball format was to have shorter, broadcaster friendly games. So there will be a pointless 2.5 minute delay " at any point between the 26th and 75th deliveries of the opposition's innings."
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:50 pm

captaincolly wrote:According to The Times the new competition will have IPL style strategic timeouts ...despite the fact that one main reason for playing the 100 ball format was to have shorter, broadcaster friendly games. So there will be a pointless 2.5 minute delay " at any point between the 26th and 75th deliveries of the opposition's innings."


Utter bonkers - at this rate The Hundred will be longer than The Blast, where matches are wrapped up in 2hrs 45mins.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Durhamfootman » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:42 pm

I love the way that ad breaks are sold as strategic timeouts

the only reason the IPL introduced them was to protect advertising revenue once it became apparent that audiences outside India were not prepared to tolerate missing the first and last ball of every over to cram in even more adverts between the overs

strategic time outs?

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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby captaincolly » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Article in The Times today claims that the ECB want to punish Surrey, who voted in favour of a new competition but against the 100 ball format, by not using the Oval as a host ground. Apparently the desire for retribution comes from Colin Graves who was " infuriated" by Surrey objecting to the new format.
If Graves gets his way it would have an impact on Kent who were going to joint manage the Oval franchise.
Surrey are probably the one county who can afford to snub the ECB. The same article mentions that 1/6 of all domestic T20 matches last summer were sold at the Oval.
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Re: 100 ball Cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Bristol or Chelmsford rumoured to be announced as another venue. Having Chelmsford as a Hundred venue is the equivalent of Adelaide Strikers relocating to Townsville.


Good on Surrey for making a stand because they can garner support from non-test counties who have the T20 Blast a success. Ditch The Hundred playing format and have an end of season flagship competition as preparation for the forthcoming Twenty20 World Cup's in 2020 and 2021. Gives the ECB some breathing space to come up with a premier competition that all counties can agree on and not impede on other formats.
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