2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:18 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:How can Notts be so bad? Their team isn't so awful on paper. Something going badly wrong there.


I think it makes a difference for a team in county cricket, when you have a lot of players who have drifted out of international contention, and are at stages in their career where there is no real incentive to shine. There seems an age gap players hit where below it, playing well and having a good record over the years can put you back on the map, and an age over it where some players are then playing to continue their career and have to prove themselves. But for Notts, a lot of those fade inbetween.

Looking at the talent.... Samit is never going to play for England again. Hales has stopped trying to get in the 4 day team and doesnt turn up. Jake Ball did nothing in the team and is unlikely now drifting to the late 20s to get another chance. Mullaney has reached his career peak last year taking the armband, and guys like Stuart Broad wouldnt be around had it not been for the WC taking over the summer to now. Ben Duckett threw a pint over his majesty King Anderson, and as long as Jimmy is still breathing it doesnt matter is Duckett becomes like Bradman, there is NO way they are ever sharing a dressing room again. Coughlin seems prone to injury.

Around these players on the decline, you put a load of unproven talent or players like Joe Clarke who are under pressure to take themselves to the next level. It isnt a great mix. They do have younger talent there, I think a lot of the younger guys have been in the Lions team in the last couple of squads (Carter, Zac Chappell, Clarke, Duckett, Moores... I think)....

Signing players like Ben Slater also seemed really meh. Libby isnt doing the business, and quite how Tom Moores is getting into development squads and batting at 3 when hes producing tailender like numbers (and has played a significant amount, so its a large sample size)....
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby sussexpob » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:21 am

I wonder as well if there is a toxicity at the club. Someone like Duckett himself admits to being quite a handful to manage, and that in the past he has let himself down. And they have had a player banned recently for snorting Coke. Maybe there are major problems behind the scenes with the dressing room, I dont know.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:40 pm

tight game going on at Cheltenham. Glos need 9 off the remaining over of the day. Glos needed to score 48 off 8 overs to win, but have left it right to the death to get a move on and are now losing wickets
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby Durhamfootman » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:43 pm

3 balls to spare..... what was the all the fuss about?
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby captaincolly » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:41 pm

Notts not doing any better in the Blast. Unless they can get 43 off the last 10 balls with the tail in!
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby SaintPowelly » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:08 am

sussexpob wrote:I wonder as well if there is a toxicity at the club. Someone like Duckett himself admits to being quite a handful to manage, and that in the past he has let himself down. And they have had a player banned recently for snorting Coke. Maybe there are major problems behind the scenes with the dressing room, I dont know.


Not forgetting one of their players was heavily involved in a rape trial for most of the winter
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby captaincolly » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:53 am

SaintPowelly wrote:
sussexpob wrote:I wonder as well if there is a toxicity at the club. Someone like Duckett himself admits to being quite a handful to manage, and that in the past he has let himself down. And they have had a player banned recently for snorting Coke. Maybe there are major problems behind the scenes with the dressing room, I dont know.


Not forgetting one of their players was heavily involved in a rape trial for most of the winter

And it seems to have,temporarily at least, had a terrible impact on his batting. His run of low scores is so bad it reminds me of the Durham batting disasters.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:34 am

SaintPowelly wrote:Not forgetting one of their players was heavily involved in a rape trial for most of the winter


The trial was in court when the season started. I did read in one paper, cant remember which, that he scored a majestic hundred on debut, the trial then started, and after he has barely been able to hit the ball. The article in question suggested the day after his mate got found guilty, he strolled out to bat and cut a very troubled character for his brief few balls, before trudging off in a trance like state. Him and Tom Kohler Cadmore both got charged over it by the ECB a month ago too, so he has a tribunal over his head where I dont know what could happen to him, but he's all but obliterated his chances of getting in the national team for the foreseeable. Understandable why his batting has driven off a cliff.

Not that I agree he should be charged or that evidence used by a prosecution and weaved to paint as bad a picture of someone possible, should be then used by an employer to fault his conduct as a cricketer in some vague "bringing the game into disrepute" nonsense. The lad did nothing at all wrong, the victim and the trial judge expressed that openly. He engaged in fully and indisputable consensual sex with her as a very willing partner, and it was mentioned in the trial report that the female in question actively sought to find him on social media to apologise for the inconvenience of her rape accusation against Hepburn bring his conduct into question.

I am sure if all of us were to have our private conversations between friends out in the open, we'd all have some scrutiny to bare. I am not going to judge a successful lad of 20 (at the time I think) joking about how many women he can have sex with; christ, if we were to do that half of the under 25s in the world would be social outcasts. Rather than throw the book at him, maybe someone could put an arm round him and have a quiet word, let the lad get on with his life and realizing his potential.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby westoelad » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:07 pm

The tribunal verdict was that the Clarke and K-C were guilty of disrepute charge but the suspension they had already served by being withdrawn from the Lions tour was sufficient punishment and they were allowed to continue their cricketing careers without further punishment. The complete demise of the Notts team, now 10 weeks without a victory, is an altogether different issue.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby sussexpob » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:45 pm

Completed missed the result, must have been released quietly. Thanks for the update. Seems a sensible enough conclusion to slap them on the wrists.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby DiligentDefence » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Vasconcelos out for the season. He is having surgery on an injured ankle. Pity, he's done well so far this year.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby captaincolly » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:34 pm

DiligentDefence wrote:Vasconcelos out for the season. He is having surgery on an injured ankle. Pity, he's done well so far this year.

Very unfortunate.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby st_brendy » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:06 pm

Given that they currently sit 2nd in D2, Glamorgan bringing Samit in on loan could be just what they need to (surprisingly) get over the line.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby captaincolly » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:11 pm

st_brendy wrote:Given that they currently sit 2nd in D2, Glamorgan bringing Samit in on loan could be just what they need to (surprisingly) get over the line.

That seems to be a brilliant signing, and a surprising one.
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Re: 2019 County Championship Chat Thread.

Postby Durhamfootman » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:19 pm

looks like only one game, but it feels like prep for next season, for Samit. His name is in the hat for pretty much every minor T20 or T10 comp going, including the aborted Euro one which takes place during the county season, so the only thing that surprises me about the whole affair is that he's only 34
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