sussexpob wrote:englandmad666 wrote:The idea that the quota system is used as excuse for migration is convenient but slightly ludicrous, players like KP and Kieswetter would have been nowhere near the SA national side four years prior to there england debuts but im sure they could have found SA teams to play for, so either they where outraged at the system been used on other players or they are just using it as a excuse to come over here.
Sorry Englandmadd666, but the quota system does not merely exclude people from the national team.... it extends to school cricket, club cricket, Regional domestic competitions.....everything!
KP was dropped from the Natal side for a player considered similar in Gulam Bodi( a decent lower order batter, and off spinner). The Natal coach explained to pietersen that he's replacement wasnt to do with his performance, and that it had been decided the Natal team needed to be more representative.
KP says he blew his top, and was offended at the suggestion. His father went to discuss the situation with Phil Russell, Natal coach, but talks went nowhere(as did Bodi's career!). He had played against the England touring side earlier that year, and had impressed Nasser Hussain, who went back to England and talked alot about Pietersen. The interest from England was therefore gathering pace.
KP then met Bacher, the leader of SA cricket, to discuss the quota system he had been dumped by.... he says "He was rude to me in that meeting and he was rude to my dad. I had never met the man before. As far as I was concerned the least he could do was be polite." Bacher failed to offer any encouragement that things would improve. "As soon as we left the meeting my dad said to me: 'You're going ... the quota system will never finish'."
Not long after he rang Clive Rice at Notts and got the contract. KP stated when he moved ... "I would have been frozen out of the system ... I would have gone out and had to do something else."
So it wasnt about playing for SA, England or money...... he was dropped for an Indian player, made attempts to clarify his situation, and was told for the greater good he would be sacrificied, somewhat uncerimoniously!
sussexpob wrote:Such a heavy accusation, and the resulting loss on the national team several years later(espeically when Pieteresens ODI debut series involved him destroying the home Saffers, which is when he began to discuss his reasons for joining) would have instigated some kind of strong counter argument had the truth been disputed.... the fact KP gives reference to particular players and conversations would also add to the truth.
And compare Bodi and KP's records..... 100's of international games vs 3 limited overs games.... and the FC records are not even close to show the quality of the player!
It seems, actually in back up to my earlier statements, that Bodi had some talent.... and being a non white(Actually born in India, which is common in Natal where Malays and Indians are very prevalent) he was fast tracked by more deserving players to boost the racial mix
Albondiga wrote:With respect I haven't made an accusation I've just stated it was one side of the story. He certainly had problems with the SA cricketing establishment and there is a 'quota system' but we don't know if the SA cicketing estabishment had a problem with him. Both England and Nottingham have had their disagreements with him which, of course may or may not be justified..
D/L wrote:When Kieswetter started his qualifying period I doubt he could have forecast that four years later Prior would be the man he had to displace.
The more players who cite this as a reason for leaving South Africa, the more credible it becomes.
sussexpob wrote:Prince failed to score a test 50 till his 10th test match..... and when he finally did, it was against a Zimbabwe XI that were days away from withdrawing themselves from competition due to their lack of competitiveness? If anything, Prince proves how much leeway a potentially good black player gets when compared to a good white player. The way he performed particularly in the second year of his career would have seen a white player ditched for eternity.... as i said in FC there was many players pushing a case, yet Prince was given ample opportunity.
sussexpob wrote:Duminy is going through the same thing, no test 100 in 10 tests in the last 5 matches a top score of 36 and 3 0's...... now again Id argue that a player of white background would have been ditched by now!
sussexpob wrote:And with Alvaro Pietersen being picked in the team for the test vs India
GordoninPortsmouth wrote:Hmmmmmmm.....
You mean like white players such as McKenzie and Dippenaar?
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GordoninPortsmouth wrote:Scores of 49 and 48 against McGrath/Warne et al in his 1st and 3rd test surely showed obvious potential.
sussexpob wrote:
Id be interested to see how many batsman started their career that poorly and went onto play 50 tests??!!??
Albondiga wrote:We rightly pick out examples of black players keeping their place in a side when they are playing badly. Duminy and Prince are obvious examples but there was a time of course when the likes of D'Olivera never got selected despite him being more than worthy. How do people her feel about the non selection of Ntini despite his record. Was it justified? Was it too quick ?? No qualms here about dropping a black man who arguably is still a better pace bowler than all but Steyn.
GordoninPortsmouth wrote:It just goes to show how subjective these matters can be. I am sure if you believe the system in SAf overly favours black players the view on Ntini would be that he was ridiculously carried long past his sell by date.
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