The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Making_Splinters]

As I always say about rules whether you agree with them or not you have to accept that they are there. Now I agree despite the fact the ECB have bent rules in the past for other players they should not make an exception to a rule for a single player regardless of how important that player is to the side but I also don't think KP asked for an exception in the first place. I do however completely disagree with the rule and hope the ECB changes it come september. If they don't the only people who lose are the ECB and as we have seen with the WICB such stances can back fire.

[rich1uk]

i got the anaolgy you were trying to make adi

i still think its not a very good comparison however

of course people who break the rules are going to be punished , what rule did KP break by asking to be rested ?

[meninblue]

i got the anaolgy you were trying to make adi

i still think its not a very good comparison however

of course people who break the rules are going to be punished , what rule did KP break by asking to be rested ?

He did not break a rule. But his request for rest is not at all justified, if at all he did.
(1)He played the IPL. Why he did not ask for rest in IPL.
(2) I suppose he would have been aware that any match will result in tiredness, so the onus was on him to plan it well. By that i mean he should have planned whether to skip IPL or to skip international matches soon following IPL for the purpose of rest.

It is not a matter of breaking a rule, but matter of setting a bad precedent. It's okay to ask for rest, but if Board denies it considering this situations (not resting for IPL) then a cricketer should not be disappointed.

Anderson's rest is justified because he did not play lesser tournaments.

[Gingerfinch]

Anderson doesn't even want one!

Funny really because with all this rain, he may have got a rest anyway.

[meninblue]

Anderson doesn't even want one!

Funny really because with all this rain, he may have got a rest anyway.

Well, that's a dilemma actually.

If a cricketer feels his fitness is good then he should be trusted. However, the dilemma is that the selectors might be viewing it as dead rubber and the best moment to rest the leader of bowling attack. They might want to ensure than due to any bad luck in the dead test, Anderson does not gets injured.

[D/L]

the one thing that does make me chuckle about this thread is the same people who are outraged by KP wanting to supposedly pick and choose what games he plays in are those who wouldn't want him playing in the first place

Chuckle away, but that’s simply not true. Pietersen is a good batsman and good enough to play in all forms of cricket. I, for one, have never criticised his selection.

However, I would criticise an individual who, of his own free will and in full knowledge of the commitment he was making, signed a twelve month contract with one of his employers, an employer who employs other people on an identical basis, and then expects that employer to make special dispensation for just one of them.

[rich1uk]

the one thing that does make me chuckle about this thread is the same people who are outraged by KP wanting to supposedly pick and choose what games he plays in are those who wouldn't want him playing in the first place

Chuckle away, but that’s simply not true. Pietersen is a good batsman and good enough to play in all forms of cricket. I, for one, have never criticised his selection.

However, I would criticise an individual who, of his own free will and in full knowledge of the commitment he was making, signed a twelve month contract with one of his employers, an employer who employs other people on an identical basis, and then expects that employer to make special dispensation for just one of them.

you mean like when strauss was allowed to miss the tour to bangladesh a few years ago , despite it including tests and despite him being the team captain, that sort of special dispensation that no-one has ever had in the past ?

[Arthur Crabtree]

It puts the ECB into a bind. Flower spoke yesterday that England players have to be rested. They have said that their players can play IPL. But then they are opposing the resting of a player who has played IPL.

Should they rest a player in the future who has been to IPL, how would that appear.

Not resting players who have been to the IPL makes no sense.

[meninblue]

Lasith Malinga: http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cric ... 66533.html

"I was really looking forward to playing a few T20 games for Middlesex this summer, but playing for Sri Lanka remains my top priority and I have to make sure I am in peak condition for upcoming tours and the World T20 later this year.

"Now that we have a full ODI series with India in July that is being immediately followed by Sri Lanka's new T20 league in August, I have had to review my workload in the coming months. I don't want to take any risks and feel I need to make use of the full five-week break after the Pakistan ODI series to rest and build-up my fitness."

Skips the lesser tournamnet ( Friends Life T20) for the international ODI series. Well planned rest knowing whats more important.

[Gingerfinch]

the one thing that does make me chuckle about this thread is the same people who are outraged by KP wanting to supposedly pick and choose what games he plays in are those who wouldn't want him playing in the first place

Chuckle away, but that’s simply not true. Pietersen is a good batsman and good enough to play in all forms of cricket. I, for one, have never criticised his selection.

However, I would criticise an individual who, of his own free will and in full knowledge of the commitment he was making, signed a twelve month contract with one of his employers, an employer who employs other people on an identical basis, and then expects that employer to make special dispensation for just one of them.

you mean like when strauss was allowed to miss the tour to bangladesh a few years ago , despite it including tests and despite him being the team captain, that sort of special dispensation that no-one has ever had in the past ?

Strauss wanted a rest because he was playing to much cricket for his country. KP wants a rest because he's tired. One of the reasons he is, the IPL. Please note that at the time, I was against our captain (Strauss) resting but there is a difference.

[ddb]

Lasith Malinga: http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cric ... 66533.html

"I was really looking forward to playing a few T20 games for Middlesex this summer, but playing for Sri Lanka remains my top priority and I have to make sure I am in peak condition for upcoming tours and the World T20 later this year.

"Now that we have a full ODI series with India in July that is being immediately followed by Sri Lanka's new T20 league in August, I have had to review my workload in the coming months. I don't want to take any risks and feel I need to make use of the full five-week break after the Pakistan ODI series to rest and build-up my fitness."

Skips the lesser tournamnet ( Friends Life T20) for the international ODI series. Well planned rest knowing whats more important.

You do realise, you're quoting Malinga.

I don't even see what this argument is anymore. Someone tried to justify other players going to IPL auction as they put their auction price too high, or they'd not played every game(which funnily enough KP wants to do)...desperate times.

[D/L]

the one thing that does make me chuckle about this thread is the same people who are outraged by KP wanting to supposedly pick and choose what games he plays in are those who wouldn't want him playing in the first place

Chuckle away, but that’s simply not true. Pietersen is a good batsman and good enough to play in all forms of cricket. I, for one, have never criticised his selection.

However, I would criticise an individual who, of his own free will and in full knowledge of the commitment he was making, signed a twelve month contract with one of his employers, an employer who employs other people on an identical basis, and then expects that employer to make special dispensation for just one of them.

you mean like when strauss was allowed to miss the tour to bangladesh a few years ago , despite it including tests and despite him being the team captain, that sort of special dispensation that no-one has ever had in the past ?

As Iatw says, the two situations are not comparable. If the coach and selectors thought Pietersen needed a rest, as they thought Strauss did, they would let him have one.

[rich1uk]

the one thing that does make me chuckle about this thread is the same people who are outraged by KP wanting to supposedly pick and choose what games he plays in are those who wouldn't want him playing in the first place

Chuckle away, but that’s simply not true. Pietersen is a good batsman and good enough to play in all forms of cricket. I, for one, have never criticised his selection.

However, I would criticise an individual who, of his own free will and in full knowledge of the commitment he was making, signed a twelve month contract with one of his employers, an employer who employs other people on an identical basis, and then expects that employer to make special dispensation for just one of them.

you mean like when strauss was allowed to miss the tour to bangladesh a few years ago , despite it including tests and despite him being the team captain, that sort of special dispensation that no-one has ever had in the past ?

Strauss wanted a rest because he was playing to much cricket for his country. KP wants a rest because he's tired. One of the reasons he is, the IPL. Please note that at the time, I was against our captain (Strauss) resting but there is a difference.

how do you know he asked for rest because he played in the IPL and that he wouldn't have asked for the same consideration even if he hadn't played in the IPL ?

asking to miss a few ODIs is a whole lot different to the captain missing a whole tour including tests

[Peter Lanky]

sorry adi but thats a ludicrous comparison

Here we go again. You're effectively saying "I don't agree with you, therefore I shall dismiss your opinion as ludicrous"

so you are saying comparing KPs situation with that of players that were banned for match fixing as a sensible comparison ?

and btw i dont have a problem with anyone who has a different opinion , i wasn't dismissing adi's opinion just his use of that specific comparison

No, I'm referring to the use of the word 'ludicrous', whatever context it is in. You used a similar term for one of my comments some time ago, though you changed it after giving it a little more thought, before I had chance to object. Such statements just end up leading to slanging matches.

[meninblue]

Lasith Malinga: http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cric ... 66533.html

"I was really looking forward to playing a few T20 games for Middlesex this summer, but playing for Sri Lanka remains my top priority and I have to make sure I am in peak condition for upcoming tours and the World T20 later this year.

"Now that we have a full ODI series with India in July that is being immediately followed by Sri Lanka's new T20 league in August, I have had to review my workload in the coming months. I don't want to take any risks and feel I need to make use of the full five-week break after the Pakistan ODI series to rest and build-up my fitness."

Skips the lesser tournamnet ( Friends Life T20) for the international ODI series. Well planned rest knowing whats more important.

You do realise, you're quoting Malinga.

I don't even see what this argument is anymore. Someone tried to justify other players going to IPL auction as they put their auction price too high, or they'd not played every game(which funnily enough KP wants to do)...desperate times.

Yes, i am quoting Malinga .