The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Alviro Patterson]

So a good performance in a domestic competition means they are going to "easily" replace the best T20 international batsman in the world and make the team better than it was with KP in the side?

Sustained performances over the years a more accurate term.

One top class player does not make a whole team, so yes KP can be easily replaced. Half the players I've suggested can bowl too and adding an option to England's bowling attack. Part time bowlers bowling in powerplays is the latest tactic in T20 cricket, hence improving Team England.

Jonny Bairstow wasn't exactly prolific in Twenty20 before selected to play against India, the rest was history.

[ddb]

Well yes his average 12 in 5 ODIs in India will be history forgotten for some.

[hopeforthebest]

When Pietersen's hot he's very hot but when he's cold he's very cold. Performances in the IPL with poor bowling is not the same as intense international cricket. Mind you I would have loved to see him in the T20 team for the WC.
His recent interview doesn't auger well for seeing him back anytime soon, if at all.

[meninblue]

Hardly Adi since the ECB were going to rest KP for part of the Windies ODIs.

And if that is the supposed signal then it is nothing more than a demonstration of the ECB shirking their duties: They were complicit in allowing a player to play in a foriegn competition and as such they should also be prepared to plan for how the additional work load can be managed both abroad and at home. If they are not prepared to do this then they should either refuse to allow any player to play overseas like the BCCi does or they should not limit the cricket any player plays at all including during the home season.

IMO the think tank should be deciding which tournament the players play, unless there is a emergency situation and the player is showing commitment to manage his career, primarily giving preference for his country rather than domestic tourneys. The players should not dictate terms to think tank about which series they want to play and which they do not. It screws up the plans of the think tank over a number of future series.

I agree about giving players the opportunity to play in other tournaments but not with the idea of letting players dominate the think tank and force boards to schedule their rest plans according to every individuals choice. That would be chaos and loss of required control. If the ECB had disallowed KP missing a tournament in August or later then i would have been disappointed. But given this case and timing , i am fine with whatever decision they have taken.


T20 format could have been used wisely but i see it is gradually threatening the presence of top cricketers in ODI's and Test matches over the years. So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

[shankycricket]

Hardly Adi since the ECB were going to rest KP for part of the Windies ODIs.

And if that is the supposed signal then it is nothing more than a demonstration of the ECB shirking their duties: They were complicit in allowing a player to play in a foriegn competition and as such they should also be prepared to plan for how the additional work load can be managed both abroad and at home. If they are not prepared to do this then they should either refuse to allow any player to play overseas like the BCCi does or they should not limit the cricket any player plays at all including during the home season.

IMO the think tank should be deciding which tournament the players play, unless there is a emergency situation and the player is showing commitment to manage his career, primarily giving preference for his country rather than domestic tourneys. The players should not dictate terms to think tank about which series they want to play and which they do not. It screws up the plans of the think tank over a number of future series.

I agree about giving players the opportunity to play in other tournaments but not with the idea of letting players dominate the think tank and force boards to schedule their rest plans according to every individuals choice. That would be chaos and loss of required control. If the ECB had disallowed KP missing a tournament in August or later then i would have been disappointed. But given this case and timing , i am fine with whatever decision they have taken.


T20 format could have been used wisely but i see it is gradually threatening the presence of top cricketers in ODI's and Test matches over the years. So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

[rich1uk]

So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

completely unrealistic comment tbh

if boards decided to stop allowing players to play in the IPL do you really think we wouldn't see more players give up international cricket and look for the money

boards need to find a way to work with the IPL and the ever increasing schedules not just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it does not exist

once again i will repeat the comment i have made a few times in this thread , there is absolutely zero information to suggest that KP would have not made the decision he has made whether he played in the IPL or not

[meninblue]

So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

completely unrealistic comment tbh

if boards decided to stop allowing players to play in the IPL do you really think we wouldn't see more players give up international cricket and look for the money

boards need to find a way to work with the IPL and the ever increasing schedules not just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it does not exist

once again i will repeat the comment i have made a few times in this thread , there is absolutely zero information to suggest that KP would have not made the decision he has made whether he played in the IPL or not

Rich, agreed that my comment is unrealistic because IPL is going to stay. That was a wish though that boards do not send international squad players if it overlaps IPL. unrealistic again

[rich1uk]

wasn't having a go adi , just saying that it would lead to more problems than it would solve

[shankycricket]

So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

completely unrealistic comment tbh

if boards decided to stop allowing players to play in the IPL do you really think we wouldn't see more players give up international cricket and look for the money

boards need to find a way to work with the IPL and the ever increasing schedules not just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it does not exist

once again i will repeat the comment i have made a few times in this thread , there is absolutely zero information to suggest that KP would have not made the decision he has made whether he played in the IPL or not

Not sure that applies to England players. They are paid well enough.

[Making_Splinters]

Hardly Adi since the ECB were going to rest KP for part of the Windies ODIs.

And if that is the supposed signal then it is nothing more than a demonstration of the ECB shirking their duties: They were complicit in allowing a player to play in a foriegn competition and as such they should also be prepared to plan for how the additional work load can be managed both abroad and at home. If they are not prepared to do this then they should either refuse to allow any player to play overseas like the BCCi does or they should not limit the cricket any player plays at all including during the home season.

IMO the think tank should be deciding which tournament the players play, unless there is a emergency situation and the player is showing commitment to manage his career, primarily giving preference for his country rather than domestic tourneys. The players should not dictate terms to think tank about which series they want to play and which they do not. It screws up the plans of the think tank over a number of future series.

I agree about giving players the opportunity to play in other tournaments but not with the idea of letting players dominate the think tank and force boards to schedule their rest plans according to every individuals choice. That would be chaos and loss of required control. If the ECB had disallowed KP missing a tournament in August or later then i would have been disappointed. But given this case and timing , i am fine with whatever decision they have taken.


T20 format could have been used wisely but i see it is gradually threatening the presence of top cricketers in ODI's and Test matches over the years. So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

Adi since the advent of central contracts at the end of the 90s the ECB has gained complete control over where and when its contracted players play. Players can't just decide to go and play overseas anymore than they can decide when the play for their counties during the home domestic season - all of it has to overseen and signed off on by the ECB.

If the ECB agree to let a player play extra cricket then it should be fairly obvious that this will have fitness consquences during the season whether the extra cricket was played overseas at the start of the English summer or by playing extra county matches during the English summer. The ECB can't simply pretend that the player hasn't played any extra cricket when they are assessing when a player should be rested during the year.

With the ECB having to sign off on all these decisions then it is their duty to also add in extra rest for the players in light of when they have been playing, they can't green light a player going off to play and then turn round and say it was solely the player's choice and they personally have to accept any and all consequences this may bring.

The whole issue of it looking like a player asking to miss a specific series has simply come about because the ECB are trying to have their cake and eat it, when they allow any player to go overseas then they should have already factored in the ramifications that will have rather than leaving it up in the air till events come to ahead. The players should never have to be asking for extra rest at the end of the day, the ECB should have it planned out before they make any decision.

[rich1uk]

sorry shanks but if the ECB tried to block any player from playing in the IPL do you really think the players would just go "oh well never mind i am paid enough without the IPL" ?

and again i repeat this thread was about KP's decision to retire, can you show me a single link to suggest he would still be playing ODIs if he didn't play in the IPL ?

[meninblue]

Rich, the revenue sharing has benefited boards immensely and hence IPL is able to source players from countries (E.g NZL). Apart from financial gains, IPL has caused more problems to boards than there were before. It has shrinked the season available for international matches by about 1 - 1.5 months. But thats another discussion about benefits and drawbacks of IPL.


England has won this series without KP. It is good to see that they are not left crippled by loss of one player. Hopefully team work and form will cover up for the major loss.

[rich1uk]

i'm not denying any of that adi and have said a few times in the past that i am worried about the impact the IPL has and could increase to have on the international game , and altho as ddb keeps reminding us the IPL has never actually pushed for a fixed window the possibility of such a thing would set dangerous precedents as other competitions could look for similar treatment if they become established.

however we wont solve anything by pretending it doesn't exist

[Gingerfinch]

534 posts about this?

I'm sure we'll survive without him.

[meninblue]

Hardly Adi since the ECB were going to rest KP for part of the Windies ODIs.

And if that is the supposed signal then it is nothing more than a demonstration of the ECB shirking their duties: They were complicit in allowing a player to play in a foriegn competition and as such they should also be prepared to plan for how the additional work load can be managed both abroad and at home. If they are not prepared to do this then they should either refuse to allow any player to play overseas like the BCCi does or they should not limit the cricket any player plays at all including during the home season.

IMO the think tank should be deciding which tournament the players play, unless there is a emergency situation and the player is showing commitment to manage his career, primarily giving preference for his country rather than domestic tourneys. The players should not dictate terms to think tank about which series they want to play and which they do not. It screws up the plans of the think tank over a number of future series.

I agree about giving players the opportunity to play in other tournaments but not with the idea of letting players dominate the think tank and force boards to schedule their rest plans according to every individuals choice. That would be chaos and loss of required control. If the ECB had disallowed KP missing a tournament in August or later then i would have been disappointed. But given this case and timing , i am fine with whatever decision they have taken.


T20 format could have been used wisely but i see it is gradually threatening the presence of top cricketers in ODI's and Test matches over the years. So I would not be disappointed if the boards do not send their players to IPL.

Adi since the advent of central contracts at the end of the 90s the ECB has gained complete control over where and when its contracted players play. Players can't just decide to go and play overseas anymore than they can decide when the play for their counties during the home domestic season - all of it has to overseen and signed off on by the ECB.

If the ECB agree to let a player play extra cricket then it should be fairly obvious that this will have fitness consquences during the season whether the extra cricket was played overseas at the start of the English summer or by playing extra county matches during the English summer. The ECB can't simply pretend that the player hasn't played any extra cricket when they are assessing when a player should be rested during the year.

With the ECB having to sign off on all these decisions then it is their duty to also add in extra rest for the players in light of when they have been playing, they can't green light a player going off to play and then turn round and say it was solely the player's choice and they personally have to accept any and all consequences this may bring.

The whole issue of it looking like a player asking to miss a specific series has simply come about because the ECB are trying to have their cake and eat it, when they allow any player to go overseas then they should have already factored in the ramifications that will have rather than leaving it up in the air till events come to ahead. The players should never have to be asking for extra rest at the end of the day, the ECB should have it planned out before they make any decision.

Splinters , i do agree that planning rests is what ECB should proactively do. In fact, the current scenario needs it to be well planned and let cricketer known in advance about the series they will participate and rested in.

Actually i would be glad to see IPL being played once every two years or something like that to gain some sort of balance and tackle the issues at least to a certain extent.