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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby DeltaAlpha » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:52 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:On the cricinfo homepage there's a photo of Pietersen and Flower that gives the impression they are almost side by side. I'm sure this a clever piece of photo journalism and they are 100 meters apart.

I think you are right. I've examined the picture in Photoshop, and it looks like a picture of Flower with KP dropped in; the edges around the image of KP are not consistent, in some places being very sharp - too sharp - while being blurred in others. And yes, I haven't anything better to do at the moment...
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:06 pm

DeltaAlpha wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:On the cricinfo homepage there's a photo of Pietersen and Flower that gives the impression they are almost side by side. I'm sure this a clever piece of photo journalism and they are 100 meters apart.

I think you are right. I've examined the picture in Photoshop, and it looks like a picture of Flower with KP dropped in; the edges around the image of KP are not consistent, in some places being very sharp - too sharp - while being blurred in others. And yes, I haven't anything better to do at the moment...


Pietersen is walking toward the camera and Flower is standing and looking in different direction.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby shankycricket » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:13 pm

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Kevin Pietersen appears to have
made so many U-turns in the past
few days you wonder whether
he’ll be representing England or
South Africa at The Oval on
Thursday. But it seems that part
of his logic for wanting to miss
next summer’s two-Test series
against New Zealand so he can
play in all seven weeks of the IPL
is that the New Zealanders
themselves won’t be at full
strength either (because,
naturally, of the IPL). And, in the
weird and wonderful world of
Kevin, two wrongs add up to a right.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:25 pm

DeltaAlpha wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:On the cricinfo homepage there's a photo of Pietersen and Flower that gives the impression they are almost side by side. I'm sure this a clever piece of photo journalism and they are 100 meters apart.

I think you are right. I've examined the picture in Photoshop, and it looks like a picture of Flower with KP dropped in; the edges around the image of KP are not consistent, in some places being very sharp - too sharp - while being blurred in others. And yes, I haven't anything better to do at the moment...


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:29 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
DeltaAlpha wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:On the cricinfo homepage there's a photo of Pietersen and Flower that gives the impression they are almost side by side. I'm sure this a clever piece of photo journalism and they are 100 meters apart.

I think you are right. I've examined the picture in Photoshop, and it looks like a picture of Flower with KP dropped in; the edges around the image of KP are not consistent, in some places being very sharp - too sharp - while being blurred in others. And yes, I haven't anything better to do at the moment...


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby DeltaAlpha » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:37 am

The same picture of KP appears here, but the edges are much softer...

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:01 am

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"The ECB have been very good at handling a lot of situations. They've handled it brilliantly at the minute."

That's nice to know.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:24 am

hopeforthebest wrote:James Anderson
"The ECB have been very good at handling a lot of situations. They've handled it brilliantly at the minute."

That's nice to know.

Support from Anderson for the ECB's stance over Pietersen, perhaps?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:33 am

But it seems that part of his logic for wanting to miss next summer’s two-Test series against New Zealand so he can play in all seven weeks of the IPL is that the New Zealanders themselves won’t be at full strength either (because, naturally, of the IPL). And, in the and wonderful world of Kevin, two wrongs add up to a right.


I think a lot of the critique coming from people about loyalty and greed is misguided. The ECB are playing a clever game here.... at the end of the day they are only protecting their investments in the international cricket. They know that the product they are selling to English fans at the normal premium is compromised because as we see here, they know that opposition star players are going to take a miss. They did this year, they will next year.

The ECB therefore are going to great lengths to ensure that star players are playing in all games, not because they want the runs they score, but because they want the tickets they sell.

Furthermore, the ECB are never going to do the sensible thing and open up a window for the players to go play without restriction simply because they are jealous. There is huge negativity about the IPL in England, mostly to do with the fact that (a) England is not as into ODI or T20 cricket as the sub continent and (b) I know it rocks the ECB to the core that they never thought of the idea of IPL before the BCCI, especially when the ECB had the chance and were the first to introduce professional T20, but never cashed in on it with the idea that the BCCI did.

So the ECB are basically going to bully players into playing a lower standard of cricket just to line their pockets, arguably in a similar way to the BCCI's total all out war against players who played the ICL.

I cant, therefore, really support the ECB's stance or the very successful PR battle they are creating here to take away the focus. If the ECB want to protect cricket they know what to do, because its the fans that lose out when they pay to see top international stars and they get B team players turning up to play.

And I am very sorry to say, but the IPL is too powerful to keep at bay for much longer. Its a growing league that is proving to be a success, revenue streams will fund mor money and maybe possible expansion of the competition in the future, and with it suck more players into ever rising financial benefits.. on the opposite, the ECB selling an inferior product will not generate more money to compensate the players at contract negotiation times.... this is the tip of the iceberg!

This is simply a battle of economics inside which KP is now the major pawn..... and if you tell me its only him, I would disagree, he is just the person who is outspoken enough to do it, and players like Morgan are a little less experienced to risk their international careers on making an issue of it.

The ECB need to think very clearly about where they go from here. They can plug their finger in the leaking hole, but its only a temporary measure. They have to find a compromise to allow England players to play IPL, and schedule their games accordingly, or risk enmass future mutiny from players who will simply forgo playing against an international B team, and go to the big lights instead!!

I mean people talk of money and greed, but can you honestly say as a sportstar you would not want to be part of the biggest cricket tournament in the world? To be part of the atmosphere and the occasion means as much to the top players as the money. Look at Lionel Messi's face after they got knocked out by Chelsea, in that moment you got the feeling he would have forfeited all his earnings to have won that game.... its not always about money, and KP has always been a big occasion man, he thrives in it.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby OffStumpYorker » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:26 am

Sussex, thats a load of BS.

KP is the one making these demands, the ECB probably couldnt careless as long as hes available for the games hes contracted for, In the end the ECB's job is to protect ENGLISH cricket, just as the BCCI's job is to protect Indian cricket.

I would also ask, if KP did play all 7 weeks and miss the early Summer tours every year does the poor unfortunate that the ECB drafted in to replace hime for the NZ tour get discarded as soon as KP deems that he wants to play. Lets say KP does miss the NZ tour to the UK, and Taylor is drafted in at 4 to cover, he goes on and scores at an average of 60? is KP an Automatic choice for the Ashes in the summer?

In my view No, you stick with Taylor and tell KP that hes no longer getting a central contract so has to wait in line like everyone else.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:34 pm

OffStumpYorker wrote:Sussex, thats a load of BS.

KP is the one making these demands, the ECB probably couldnt careless as long as hes available for the games hes contracted for, In the end the ECB's job is to protect ENGLISH cricket, just as the BCCI's job is to protect Indian cricket.

I would also ask, if KP did play all 7 weeks and miss the early Summer tours every year does the poor unfortunate that the ECB drafted in to replace hime for the NZ tour get discarded as soon as KP deems that he wants to play. Lets say KP does miss the NZ tour to the UK, and Taylor is drafted in at 4 to cover, he goes on and scores at an average of 60? is KP an Automatic choice for the Ashes in the summer?

In my view No, you stick with Taylor and tell KP that hes no longer getting a central contract so has to wait in line like everyone else.

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:41 pm

Sussex, thats a load of BS.


Tell me why the ECB make no concessions for the IPL in their schedules, but in 2008 they suddenly opened up slots for the Stanford Series in their schedules???..... Im sure they all of a sudden found merit in playing non sanctioned events against non test playing nations for a completely irrelevant and meaningless one off match!?!?!

I doubt very much that the 7 million USD fronted by the fraudster billionaire organising it was a tempter to the ECB organisation, or the fact that a few of the key decision makers also got a million USD each, was anything to do with it.... not to mention judging on the guys fraud case the amount of backhanders he lubricated the deal with, it seemed to be his favourite method of business by all accounts.

You think that money doesnt motivate the ECB, then sorry, it is you who is talking absolute BS.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby shankycricket » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:47 pm

sussexpob wrote:
Sussex, thats a load of BS.


Tell me why the ECB make no concessions for the IPL in their schedules, but in 2008 they suddenly opened up slots for the Stanford Series in their schedules???..... Im sure they all of a sudden found merit in playing non sanctioned events against non test playing nations for a completely irrelevant and meaningless one off match!?!?!

I doubt very much that the 7 million USD fronted by the fraudster billionaire organising it was a tempter to the ECB organisation, or the fact that a few of the key decision makers also got a million USD each, was anything to do with it.... not to mention judging on the guys fraud case the amount of backhanders he lubricated the deal with, it seemed to be his favourite method of business by all accounts.

You think that money doesnt motivate the ECB, then sorry, it is you who is talking absolute BS.

Because it is an Indian domestic tournament and clashes with the English summer. Hardly rocket science.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:53 pm

Can't see the connection. The Stanford experiment was widely derided, but brought the ECB money. The IPL isn't going to make the ECB money. In fact if the England players miss international games to play in it, the ECB will lose money. The ECB now has two huge tv contracts, including the Indian one. They have no need to be involved in Stanford type projects, and were burned by that experience.
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