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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:54 pm

KP is the one making these demands, the ECB probably couldnt careless as long as hes available for the games hes contracted for, In the end the ECB's job is to protect ENGLISH cricket, just as the BCCI's job is to protect Indian cricket.


The ECB work inside an absolute monopoly of cricket in this country. If a player wants a cricket career and is qualified for England, in essence for that career to be lengthy, he has to agree to the terms and conditions of a central contract or he doesnt have a career. To say therefore that the ECB place no demands on a player is, again, absolute BS. The whole point of a central contract is you basically own a player and decide when and where he plays! The county has no say anymore, and this issue proves the player has no say.

Now in terms of English cricket, Team England is what financially supports the whole system. Without international cricket you have no county game, such is the difference in profits. Without the England players and their level of skill, you have no county game.

I think they are paid a fraction of a percentage of the eventually money generated from their matches! Compare this to other sports, Man City and Chelsea both spend more on wages then their turnover, and US sports have recently gone through collective bargaining agreements which guarantees the players, who are the real stars, an adequate percentage of the cash the sports generated(ie, I think the most recent in the NHL set the bar at 48-52% of all league revenue, in favour of the clubs, but this lead to massive pay increases for players!).

Considering the total wage for England team is roughly around 5- 8 million per year, spread between the squad, and the SKY deal alone to show their matches is is multiple times that(the renewal in 2012 was not disclosed, but the previous one in 2008 was £300million for 4 yeas, about ten times the cost of player wages to play in the matches shown)... its not hard to see why England players are earning such a small share of the pie, when it is them at the end of the day who makes the money and is what people tune and pay to see.

So in return for a tiny percentage of the profit, and in turn for no bargaining position on their contracts set my a monopoly power with sole responsibility and power to sanction matches for them to play at the top level, they put their body on the line, have to be available for all matches(which also means being abroad for months away from families) and run the risk of injury or mental burnout from the pressure.

If you think therefore that a player arguing against this is "making all the demands" then you are tragically misinformed. ECB contracts are heavily weighed in the ECB's favour considering what they get out of a player in terms of economic value.... made even more one sided by reactions like FLowers to KP currently.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:08 pm

:cry: They are just slave labour.
Work expands to fill the time available, so why do today what can be put off until tomorrow.


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby sussexpob » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:13 pm

Can't see the connection. The Stanford experiment was widely derided, but brought the ECB money. The IPL isn't going to make the ECB money. In fact if the England players miss international games to play in it, the ECB will lose money.


The ECB are a profit making organisation? I dont think they are... according to their own website they function to...

to attract more players to the game, raise standards at all levels and promote cricket as a spectator sport.


The connection is therefore the money v standards argument, and the ECB actually role to the game of cricket.

It seems that they are happy to make money and sell their sole to one party, but in other more intelligent pursuits we have not used common sense, instead substituting the integrity of the game by playing half baked incomplete teams early in the summer for the sake of it, with having our players play useful competitive cricket.

I mean where do our players historically struggle the most? And in what format? Do you not see the use of having players gaining more experience of limited overs cricket in the sub continent, and the benefits that would have on playing there in the future?

You cant buy that experience sadly. But you can allow it to happen...

I also fail to see how omitting the world number T20 batsman from your squad for the World cup is going to help improve standards, promote youngsters to the game, or promote the game to spectators.... actually, its an epic fail in the counter to do this.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:21 pm

ECB get 10% of an IPL contract don't they?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:30 pm

ddb wrote:ECB get 10% of an IPL contract don't they?


As far as i'm aware it's the counties who receive the cut
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:31 pm

Not sure what the ECBs function - to make profits or not - has got to do with anything at all
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:32 pm

ddb wrote:ECB get 10% of an IPL contract don't they?


I thought that the county who hold their registration that get the 10%.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:35 pm

I'm not convinced it is even relevant.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:30 pm

It isn't but good to know anyway.

Counties get more than 10%, I think it depends on how long you go for.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:33 pm

1% of annual county salary every day you are away at IPL for each of fisrt 40 days - then 1.75% over that.

If your team does well can be 44% of salary - hence high reserves
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby battingforbell » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:40 pm

I hope sussexpob wasn't one of Kevin's "people" advising him.

Kevin Pietersen might claim he owes the Counties or England nothing. He wasn't educated here. He wasn't picked for under-19s or England A. He didn't benefit (much) from the County system. Unlike Cook, Bell, Strauss, Prior and all the rest. I include Trott because he says he owes everything to Warwickshire. The County system produces cricketers. Bell was under the wing of Warwickshire aged 10. The Test money is payback time for all that nurturing.

Nevertheless England gave KP his chance. He bought into the team ethic, tattoos the lot. Now another country has come calling. The IPL isn't an international competition, it is an Indian domestic league. Of course ECB wants England players to play for England rather than an Indian team. In your free time why not? But Kev wanted to barter Test matches for full IPL season.

Never mind the principles of loyalty, does KP really think the IPL is a better preparation for the Ashes than a Test Series? India stars came hotfoot from the IPL and didn't make 300 runs.

It's not just brainless, it is shameless. Why is sussexpob quoting from the football Premier League which is crushing English football under its boot? It would horrify me if England cricketers were paid similar wages to Man United footballers. I want them rewarded handsomely but not obscenely. The IPL is Show Biz Extravaganza. But the cricket is quite tedious. Test cricket is one of the glories of world culture. New Zealand might be struggling but I really enjoyed watching their recent Series against Australia and was overjoyed when they won a match. Likewise I was glued to the West Indies v India Test Series.

Come on Kev. You are a better cricketer than t20 gladiator. You won't find the hard yards in the IPL. The real challenges lie elsewhere. Change your advisors for a start.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:52 pm

I'm fairly disapointed to see the ECB snub KP while the negotiations about his future are still on going, I had hoped they would be the bigger party and offer a public olive branch after the kicking in the media he has had of late but alas that is not the case.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby andy » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:07 pm

have to say i agree with Nick Knight and Robert Croft.....the KP issue is getting ridiclous, he has retired ECB wont change their stance life goes on...
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:10 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:have to say i agree with Nick Knight and Robert Croft.....the KP issue is getting ridiclous, he has retired ECB wont change their stance life goes on...


Just shows the appeal of KP though. Despite something that the media and message board posters are 99% certain about, they all still speculate whether or not he'll be in the final 15.

Let me put that all to bed now - he wont be. FACT.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:15 pm

Aidan11 wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:have to say i agree with Nick Knight and Robert Croft.....the KP issue is getting ridiclous, he has retired ECB wont change their stance life goes on...


Just shows the appeal of KP though. Despite something that the media and message board posters are 99% certain about, they all still speculate whether or not he'll be in the final 15.

Let me put that all to bed now - he wont be. FACT.


This will end one of three ways: KP will remain retired from Limited Overs cricket, KP will retire from all international cricket, KP will play in Sri Lanka.

His talks with the ECB aren't over and we actually know very little about what was actually said aside from some contextless leak which has neither been confirmed or denied by any side, so whether or not he is actually even retired is completely up in the air.

If the ECB hadn't leaked the IPL stuff this would have gone by quietly.
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