The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[D/L]

It all depends upon the nature of any friction. It is quite right to say that most instances are manageable. Some, however, may not be. For a player to go public on “problems in the dressing room” indicates a degree of seriousness.

All we can do is speculate. It is up to the team management to determine the best course of action in this instance and that should not preclude Pietersen not playing at Lords, if necessary.

So Swann making comments in his autobiography and on twitter isn't "public"?

Look back at Fred - the biggest generator of friction England has seen since Gower and Gooch - don't remember many calling for him to be thrown out of the dressing room.

One set of standards for KP and one set everyone else seems to be a running theme in this thread!

Of course it is, but again, it depends upon the nature and seriousness of any rift. Swann’s comments were either forgivable or perhaps there is an understanding between players that, in order to sell their books, they’re all allowed to say something controversial about other players in them.

[Kim]

It all depends upon the nature of any friction. It is quite right to say that most instances are manageable. Some, however, may not be. For a player to go public on “problems in the dressing room” indicates a degree of seriousness.

All we can do is speculate. It is up to the team management to determine the best course of action in this instance and that should not preclude Pietersen not playing at Lords, if necessary.

So Swann making comments in his autobiography and on twitter isn't "public"?

Look back at Fred - the biggest generator of friction England has seen since Gower and Gooch - don't remember many calling for him to be thrown out of the dressing room.

One set of standards for KP and one set everyone else seems to be a running theme in this thread!

They were nothing and grossly exaggerated by the press. Twitter I dont know about.

Swann on Samit Patel in the book, however...

[Making_Splinters]

It all depends upon the nature of any friction. It is quite right to say that most instances are manageable. Some, however, may not be. For a player to go public on “problems in the dressing room” indicates a degree of seriousness.

All we can do is speculate. It is up to the team management to determine the best course of action in this instance and that should not preclude Pietersen not playing at Lords, if necessary.

So Swann making comments in his autobiography and on twitter isn't "public"?

Look back at Fred - the biggest generator of friction England has seen since Gower and Gooch - don't remember many calling for him to be thrown out of the dressing room.

One set of standards for KP and one set everyone else seems to be a running theme in this thread!

They were nothing and grossly exaggerated by the press. Twitter I dont know about.

Swann on Samit Patel in the book, however...

Their content was massively magnified by their personal nature, targeting and naming an individual in the side and criticising him. In comparision all KP has done is said that there are some problems in the dressing room with out naming any individuals and people want to throw the book at him and have the man who just saved our bacon thrown out of the side. Talk about magnitudes of responce.

[D/L]

Without knowing the nature of the problems, all is speculation. If we see Pietersen at Lords, it may all have been a storm in a teacup. If we don't, then who knows? Not us, anyway, at least not until after the lucrative book deal has been signed.

[Making_Splinters]

Without knowing the nature of the problems, all is speculation. If we see Pietersen at Lords, it may all have been a storm in a teacup. If we don't, then who knows? Not us, anyway, at least not until after the lucrative book deal has been signed.

Indeed, D/L. It's rather interesting that the poster who is making the most adamant demands for KP to be thrown out is the same poster who took objection to my criticism of the ECB because we didn't definitely know - in their opinion - who had made the leaks to the press.

[hopeforthebest]

Some lawyers are rubbing their hands in anticipation of Pietersen's book.

[Making_Splinters]

Well as long as unlike Swann he leaves it till he has finished his career with England then their shouldn't be any issues for the side.

[Robert]

Why are we surprised that Pietersen is causing trouble? Over the years he's left 3 teams under something of a cloud, so nothing new there. He clearly doesn't genuinely subscribe to the team ethos that Flower in particular places great store in - everyone else seems to.

[hopeforthebest]

Without knowing the nature of the problems, all is speculation. If we see Pietersen at Lords, it may all have been a storm in a teacup. If we don't, then who knows? Not us, anyway, at least not until after the lucrative book deal has been signed.

Indeed, D/L. It's rather interesting that the poster who is making the most adamant demands for KP to be thrown out is the same poster who took objection to my criticism of the ECB because we didn't definitely know - in their opinion - who had made the leaks to the press.

I guess you're refering to me splinters. Yes I don't accept blindly all the press talk about the ECB leaking to the press and I do consider that KP is predominately responsible for this mess. Anyone but a selfish individual would not have timed his resignation from one day cricket at the time KP did. He should have simply informed the ECB that he had issues about the amount of cricket he was playing and said he wanted to talk about them in September. It seems likeley that he overreacted to being fined for his twitter about Nick Knight and acted in haste.

[greyblazer]

Oh indeed Arthur: Look at Gibbs autobiography, the clashes between Clarke and Katich, Ganguly just in and of himself, Sammy and Gayle - Or most of the West Indies team and WICB!

But no, KP should be thrown out of the dressing room.

Both Katich and Ganguly got the sack.

Kattich was thrown out by the Captain who was generating the problems in the first place and Ganguly is still regarded as one of the finest captains India has ever had.

Gangs came-back into the set up as India were struggling to find a good no.6. If KP is thrown out then there will be a big hole in the line-up. I keep reading that KP does well only twice a year and some even say he isn't hardworking so there is no reason why he should be in the side

The last time I checked he was doing better than Bell, Trott and co. this year. Yes if he retires England have to move on otherwise he is a vital cog in the side and you hate him or like him I see KP being included in the side. My guess is KP retiring after the Lord's test. Now hopefully he won't.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Good year to judge England players, as it's been a tough eight months. At home and in Asia. Against sides of varying strength. Against very good bowlers of differing skills. In situations where adaptability and skill under pressure have often been called upon.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

[greyblazer]

KP behind Trott, Cook and Bell. No it can't be true

[hopeforthebest]

One point no one has considered is the position of Andy Flower in all this. If it comes down to a choice between Flower going or Pietersen, where do you stand? It may well come down to that choice, after all the dressing room is his domain.

[greyblazer]

Unlike Moores v KP I don't think this time around it is Flower v KP. From outside it looks like they have a working relationship though it is hard to tell.

[greyblazer]

In a recent interview Flower said that he wanted KP to continue in shorter formats.