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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:44 am

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ddb wrote:The Mail knew about this last week I think(was on the Cricketer podcast) so seems well timed to tell everyone who reads it.

Anyway doos isn't derogatory as being made out, according to South African's anyway.


Goerge Dobell mentioned it on a cricinfo broadcast a while ago. Worth mentioning that KP deosnt speak Afrikaans.


He may not be fluent in Afrikaans but coming from Pietermaritzburg he will certainly know it quite well.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:31 am

Typical Sunday rag ploy. Stir it up one week then just as the dust tries to settle they come out with another whammy in their next edition.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:42 am

Aidan11 wrote:Typical Sunday rag ploy. Stir it up one week then just as the dust tries to settle they come out with another whammy in their next edition.


It's hardly surprising that this is still newsworthy for Sunday papers after the Strauss interview and the impending announcement of the T20 WC squad.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:04 am

shankybiggestengfan wrote:...He also works harder on his game than any other England player .

I was tempted to be rather sceptical of that comment. I mean, how could anyone outside the England set-up possibly know that, but then I remembered that it was through sbef that we first learned that Onions was as good a batsman as Bairstow.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:08 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Boycott says on the BBC that criticising your captain is a serious breach of trust...! Is there a captain of England that Boycott actually got behind? Denness, Greig, Brearley, Botham? Anyone?

I heard what Boycott said on the wireless. He actually condemned criticism that went beyond the dressing room, but let’s not let facts spoil a good story.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:19 am

D/L wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Boycott says on the BBC that criticising your captain is a serious breach of trust...! Is there a captain of England that Boycott actually got behind? Denness, Greig, Brearley, Botham? Anyone?

I heard what Boycott said on the wireless. He actually condemned criticism that went beyond the dressing room, but let’s not let facts spoil a good story.

Having seen the later comments about the press reporting, it seems strange to complain about smearing Pietersen in the press and then to do very much the same thing with Boycott on CMS.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:40 am

According to Pat Murphy on the wireless this morning, Pietersen will not be named in the T20 squad later this week.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:47 am

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shankybiggestengfan wrote:...He also works harder on his game than any other England player .

I was tempted to be rather sceptical of that comment. I mean, how could anyone outside the England set-up possibly know that

Well they knew about the texts the contract talks and it's the same source for the hard working actually.

but then I remembered that it was through sbef that we first learned that Onions was as good a batsman as Bairstow.


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby from_the_stands » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:48 am

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shankybiggestengfan wrote:...He also works harder on his game than any other England player .

I was tempted to be rather sceptical of that comment. I mean, how could anyone outside the England set-up possibly know that, but then I remembered that it was through sbef that we first learned that Onions was as good a batsman as Bairstow.


Ah, but Shanky is in the England set-up... occasionally. ;)

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:58 am

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Making_Splinters wrote:And some of think that KP has been a prat this summer and that the ECB have dealt with the situation in a fairly cack handed manner.


No, KP has been a total Diva this summer, and calling your captain the c word, even if it is colloqual africans/dutch slang, totally out of order but then we're supposed to forgive him this.

as i've said before M_S, the ECB has done what they have considered the best in the interests of English cricket, like it or not they are paid to take these decisions could they have handled it differently maybe but then so could KP.

In fact its KP thats been pushing the agenda, and im sorry but one scripted youtube video produced by his agent, isnt enough to appease a lot of people, I'm one of them.

All this 'I wear my heart on my sleve', 'I'm passionate about england', is pure *******, all KP has ever cared about is KP, England were a means to an ends, namely raising KP's profile, as i've said in the past you cannot allow players to pick and choose the games they play.

What happens to young Bairstow, or Taylor do they immediately get thrown on the scrapheap for the next 5-6 years only playing 1-2 tests a year when the IPL is on? What type of message does that send to the players that come in to take his place, you can do your best but even if you score a double you're out because KP decided to play.


I don't see how this actually has anything to do with the point you've quoted.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:00 am

ddb wrote:
D/L wrote:but then I remembered that it was through sbef that we first learned that Onions was as good a batsman as Bairstow.


Play nice, please.

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:14 am

Aidan11 wrote:Typical Sunday rag ploy. Stir it up one week then just as the dust tries to settle they come out with another whammy in their next edition.


Well while the story is clearly going to be hot print and the papers want to keep this going as long as possible it's essentially the same method they used in their piece to break the entire story, make a lot of statements with out saying where they come from and add a seperate point with a source to attempt toconfer tacit support.

Does no one else seem to think it a trifle strange that the Mail knows that a single word was used but do not see fit to say what the rest of the message said?

Of course that will be taken no doubt as an apologist statement for some reason rather than simply pointing out the contiued wave of bit piece information that has been used since the KP issue came into the public eye.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:21 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19310946

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:27 am

Good to see Tony Greig having England's interests at heart as of course he has always done.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:30 am

And more damaging than the allegations he texted personal abuse about his captain are the allegations Pietersen told the South Africa fast bowlers to go around the wicket to Strauss, a tactic with which Dale Steyn dismissed him in the second Test at Headingley.


The South Africans were bowling round the wicket to Strauss in the last series and getting him out doing it, Morkel even got Strauss out from around the wicket in the first test of this series, I expected slightly better from the BBC to be honest.
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