The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[hopeforthebest]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

[yorker_129-7]

And reality is, he saved the series in Sri Lanka with an aggressive and masterful innings, and his innings at Headlingley turned a stuttering England performance into a possible victory

Well thank goodness we didn't go 1-0 down in both series with him in the team and lose the preceding series against Pakistan with him in the team.

Oh, hang on...

[meninblue]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

One hot headed person living with another hot headed or even cool headed person is impossible. It looks like a sure divorce case. Anyways, it the problem of the hot headed person/persons, not our headache .

[meninblue]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

One hot headed person living with another hot headed or even cool headed person is impossible. It looks like a sure divorce case. Anyways, it the problem of the hot headed person/persons, not our headache .

A sure divorce in case the girl keeps on quarreling with mother in law, father in law and husbands family members. They will have to live separate from the joint family, and that is what is happening

[sussexpob]

And reality is, he saved the series in Sri Lanka with an aggressive and masterful innings, and his innings at Headlingley turned a stuttering England performance into a possible victory

Well thank goodness we didn't go 1-0 down in both series with him in the team and lose the preceding series against Pakistan with him in the team.

Oh, hang on...

So in order for KP's performance to be acceptable, he has to perform when others dont every single test match?

[greyblazer]

Unlike Anti KP brigade we hope that there will still be some solution. Team unity doesn't win you matches and yes it is good to be optimistic

[hopeforthebest]

Unlike Anti KP brigade we hope that there will still be some solution. Team unity doesn't win you matches and yes it is good to be optimistic

If team unity doesn't win you matches, perhaps it should be included in the MCC coaching manual.

[greyblazer]

Last time I checked team unity or whatever didn't take wickets, score runs or take catches. Er ok Strauss thinks about it even while batting against 90mph bowler Steyn and loses his wicket though Everytime I hear this team unity concept I can't stop laughing.

[sussexpob]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

I hnoestly dont think the problems are that big... in fact, I would argue that this kind of thing should be healthy for a team, but the situation has obviously been managed so piss poorly any positives results are looking less likely.

I mean anyteam which has any pride would sit together in a dressing room after, say in Pakistan, and want to discuss what happened. No amount of this "we are a team" public BS can ever change that, things must be said after a lose like that, people must be held accoutable. No doubt KP's arrogant and outspoken nature means that he is more likely to say things to people they dont want to hear, and in turn, I doubt he receives criticism well.

You tend to find people who are most outspoken are also the people who take things to heart the most.... distruptive natures are often misunderstood for lack of caring, when often the opposite is the case. I trust, imo, that KP is a real committed guy who becomes disheartened with the teams lack of performance, and because he has an isolated status in the team due to personality clashes, became reactive and disheartened to the point of making an uncaluated error in judgement, probably not really thought through.

But true team management requires a manager to deal with this situation and act accordingly. If you have this type of player you need to make time for him and hear him out, or alternatively, ride out the storms that his temprament throw at you.... what you cant question is the fact he will, over the long run, perform.... as the stats prove, in England's darkest hours this past 12 months he has scored the most runs.

This is what gets me most about this situation.... say what you will, but in KP England have a guy that truly wants to play and score runs... he loves the hard yards, but he is an isoltated character who takes his inpiration from coming to the fore when times are tough.... to the point where he seems to create adversity for himself to crawl out of.

I get the feeling that this team england BS that KP doesnt fit in is a merely a protective bubble inside which the party line is to ignore the castle crumbling around them... KP is too proud to let theat happen without speaking out, Flower to stubborn and outspoken himself to let a subordinate override him, and the team probably not wanting to admit some of the hard questions the situation has thrown up, or stand up and be counted.

[shankycricket]

I think they have changed the rules. From now on, the cricket matches will be decided by how many beers you have with a teammate and how much time you spend in the Dressing Room following the orders of an autocratic boss rather than how many runs you score and how many wickets you take.

[hopeforthebest]

Some time ago it was received wisdom that the sun, the moon and all the planets in the sky revolved around the earth. I think KP believes that, seeing himself as the earth.

[greyblazer]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

I hnoestly dont think the problems are that big... in fact, I would argue that this kind of thing should be healthy for a team, but the situation has obviously been managed so piss poorly any positives results are looking less likely.

I mean anyteam which has any pride would sit together in a dressing room after, say in Pakistan, and want to discuss what happened. No amount of this "we are a team" public BS can ever change that, things must be said after a lose like that, people must be held accoutable. No doubt KP's arrogant and outspoken nature means that he is more likely to say things to people they dont want to hear, and in turn, I doubt he receives criticism well.

You tend to find people who are most outspoken are also the people who take things to heart the most.... distruptive natures are often misunderstood for lack of caring, when often the opposite is the case. I trust, imo, that KP is a real committed guy who becomes disheartened with the teams lack of performance, and because he has an isolated status in the team due to personality clashes, became reactive and disheartened to the point of making an uncaluated error in judgement, probably not really thought through.

But true team management requires a manager to deal with this situation and act accordingly. If you have this type of player you need to make time for him and hear him out, or alternatively, ride out the storms that his temprament throw at you.... what you cant question is the fact he will, over the long run, perform.... as the stats prove, in England's darkest hours this past 12 months he has scored the most runs.

This is what gets me most about this situation.... say what you will, but in KP England have a guy that truly wants to play and score runs... he loves the hard yards, but he is an isoltated character who takes his inpiration from coming to the fore when times are tough.... to the point where he seems to create adversity for himself to crawl out of.

I get the feeling that this team england BS that KP doesnt fit in is a merely a protective bubble inside which the party line is to ignore the castle crumbling around them... KP is too proud to let theat happen without speaking out, Flower to stubborn and outspoken himself to let a subordinate override him, and the team probably not wanting to admit some of the hard questions the situation has thrown up, or stand up and be counted.

[shankycricket]

There's only one reality to face here i.e. can the marriage between KP and team England be reconciled or is it beyond help. I'm sure many divorced couples can dredge up tales of happier times but find that separation is the only solution. Sadly for KP the church of International cricket doesn't allow divorcees to remarry.

I hnoestly dont think the problems are that big... in fact, I would argue that this kind of thing should be healthy for a team, but the situation has obviously been managed so piss poorly any positives results are looking less likely.

I mean anyteam which has any pride would sit together in a dressing room after, say in Pakistan, and want to discuss what happened. No amount of this "we are a team" public BS can ever change that, things must be said after a lose like that, people must be held accoutable. No doubt KP's arrogant and outspoken nature means that he is more likely to say things to people they dont want to hear, and in turn, I doubt he receives criticism well.

You tend to find people who are most outspoken are also the people who take things to heart the most.... distruptive natures are often misunderstood for lack of caring, when often the opposite is the case. I trust, imo, that KP is a real committed guy who becomes disheartened with the teams lack of performance, and because he has an isolated status in the team due to personality clashes, became reactive and disheartened to the point of making an uncaluated error in judgement, probably not really thought through.

But true team management requires a manager to deal with this situation and act accordingly. If you have this type of player you need to make time for him and hear him out, or alternatively, ride out the storms that his temprament throw at you.... what you cant question is the fact he will, over the long run, perform.... as the stats prove, in England's darkest hours this past 12 months he has scored the most runs.

This is what gets me most about this situation.... say what you will, but in KP England have a guy that truly wants to play and score runs... he loves the hard yards, but he is an isoltated character who takes his inpiration from coming to the fore when times are tough.... to the point where he seems to create adversity for himself to crawl out of.

I get the feeling that this team england BS that KP doesnt fit in is a merely a protective bubble inside which the party line is to ignore the castle crumbling around them... KP is too proud to let theat happen without speaking out, Flower to stubborn and outspoken himself to let a subordinate override him, and the team probably not wanting to admit some of the hard questions the situation has thrown up, or stand up and be counted.

[shankycricket]

England managing director Hugh Morris said: "We are in receipt of Kevin's apology but further discussions need to take place to establish whether it is possible to regain the trust and mutual respect required to ensure all parties are able to focus on playing cricket and to maintain the unity of purpose that has served us so well in recent years. Critically, those discussions should take place behind closed doors, rather than in the media spotlight."

The irony of that is just .......

[meninblue]

In this case it is like a partners whom they dvorced are marrying again. Will it last second time.