The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[D/L]

I have no problems with Bresnan being awarded a central contract (actually I do but never mind) but to say that he has performed consistently over the last 12 months is hilarious.

As I said on the “general musings” thread, all we know is what we see on the field and from guarded interviews. There may be more factors that both parties have to take into account.

To be fair, Bresnan’s bowling form has dipped a little this year, but, unlike some here, the ECB will take such things as good fortune, when he has bowled etc into account. and the solidity of his batting in tight situations at the top of the lower order, which he demonstrated against South Africa.

These are all thing that would go unnoticed by people who go purely on statistics to assess a player’s worth. What is really hilarious is that some people cannot see beyond them. However, it is not as hilarious as suggesting that Onions for Bairstow would not significantly weaken England’s batting.

[shankycricket]

Of course, we must look beyond statistics. If I look beyond stats, it is fairly clear that Bresnan has put on a lot of weight. Its clear that he is bowling about 7-8 mph slower. Its clear that neither his surprise bouncer nor his reverse swing haven't looked particularly threatening of late partly due to lack of pace. Are there any factors that need to be considered such as the county that the player plays for?

[D/L]

Of course, we must look beyond statistics. If I look beyond stats, it is fairly clear that Bresnan has put on a lot of weight. Its clear that he is bowling about 7-8 mph slower. Its clear that neither his surprise bouncer nor his reverse swing haven't looked particularly threatening of late partly due to lack of pace. Are there any factors that need to be considered such as the county that the player plays for?

Clear to you perhaps, but not to others. There again, some of your appraisals of cricketing talent would, shall we say, not stand up to much scrutiny.

[sussexpob]

the ongoing talks should only be a "concern" for those people allowing their personal prejudices to judge what they think is best for the england team

People have their own misconceptions about squeeky clean images. It makes me laugh that Alan Shearer was once dubbed the "Mary Poppins" of football because he was seen as the flagbearer of honest fair play, while the Irishman and outspoken natured Roy Keane was seen as an evil and vindictive player worthy of scorn for his dirty play!!! Shearer once got Keane sent off when Shearer threw a ball at Keane in anger, and Keane reacted by approaching him...... both acts of petulance, one was punished simply through premisconceptions.

The English press love certain players, usually those who off the field dont say much, and forgive the trespasses on the field. Alan Shearer once kicked Neil Lennon in the head and escaped punishment, elbowed Colin Calderwood in the face leading to him receiving stitches, and left Ugo Eghiogu needing facial reconstruction after a boot to the head left him with a shattered eye socket..... never received any punishment for any of it. My favourite is, after being sent of in a turbulent game vs Inter for elbowing Fabio Cannavaro, Shearer was not fined by the club while the outspoken and controversial Bellamy was fined 3 weeks wages for a challenge that he got sent off for in the same match that was far less vindictive.... simply because one was seen as the problem child!

Some like Martin Johnson was also portrayed as a demi god of fair play, but bounds of opposition managers and plays criticised him for rather unfair and violent play.... some people just fit the bill when they are the classic white, educated middle class players who say the right thing in press conferences.... people simply dust over the bad things. Even now, having checked, there is no reference on wikipedia to Ugo's injury, and articles you dig up suggest it was a "collision" that injured him, not a blatent stamp on the head.

I mean personally I think Jimmy Andersons on the field conduct has been questionable through out this summer, constantly giving needle to Graham Smith even if he is off strike, his attitude to a few drop catches was quite thunderous, but he is seen as the good bboy so people ignored this.

[hopeforthebest]

I thought 'upper tripe' is when someone is snorting rubbish, 'middle tripe' when someone is talking rubbish and 'lower tripe' when someone is taking through his 'ass'. 'Utter tripe' is when someone is talking rubbish through all orifices simultaneously.

[shankycricket]

Of course, we must look beyond statistics. If I look beyond stats, it is fairly clear that Bresnan has put on a lot of weight. Its clear that he is bowling about 7-8 mph slower. Its clear that neither his surprise bouncer nor his reverse swing haven't looked particularly threatening of late partly due to lack of pace. Are there any factors that need to be considered such as the county that the player plays for?

There again, some of your appraisals of cricketing talent would, shall we say, not stand up to much scrutiny.

The irony of that statement never ceases to amaze me.

[meninblue]

KP will play the full IPL for Delhi it seems Can't forget his outstanding ton. We might bid for him in the next auction if he is ignored at international level for along time.

[D/L]

Of course, we must look beyond statistics. If I look beyond stats, it is fairly clear that Bresnan has put on a lot of weight. Its clear that he is bowling about 7-8 mph slower. Its clear that neither his surprise bouncer nor his reverse swing haven't looked particularly threatening of late partly due to lack of pace. Are there any factors that need to be considered such as the county that the player plays for?

There again, some of your appraisals of cricketing talent would, shall we say, not stand up to much scrutiny.

The irony of that statement never ceases to amaze me.

Yes, but then some are easily amazed, if by something they only think they see.

[ddb]

Parody time again, yay.

[meninblue]

Kevin Pietersen has pressed England to carry out a serious investigation into his suspicion that his England team mates Graeme Swann and James Anderson were feeding information to the parody Twitter account - KP Genius - in a prolonged stalemate that continues to dog attempts to reintegrate him into the England team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 81478.html

Anderson and Swann should be questioned by ECB. If they have indeed helped in creating this twitter mess then ECB might take action against them as well like they did to KP about team unity.

[mikesiva]

Kevin Pietersen has pressed England to carry out a serious investigation into his suspicion that his England team mates Graeme Swann and James Anderson were feeding information to the parody Twitter account - KP Genius - in a prolonged stalemate that continues to dog attempts to reintegrate him into the England team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 81478.html

Anderson and Swann should be questioned by ECB. If they have indeed helped in creating this twitter mess then ECB might take action against them as well like they did to KP about team unity.

If the ECB is going to be even-handed, I would think that some investigation has to be made into the activities of Swann and Anderson....

I can't wait to see KP in the IPL!

[meninblue]

Kevin Pietersen has pressed England to carry out a serious investigation into his suspicion that his England team mates Graeme Swann and James Anderson were feeding information to the parody Twitter account - KP Genius - in a prolonged stalemate that continues to dog attempts to reintegrate him into the England team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 81478.html

Anderson and Swann should be questioned by ECB. If they have indeed helped in creating this twitter mess then ECB might take action against them as well like they did to KP about team unity.

If the ECB is going to be even-handed, I would think that some investigation has to be made into the activities of Swann and Anderson....

I can't wait to see KP in the IPL!

Yes, ECB have to be fair in dealing with every cricketer. They cannot punish one and let the other scott free, if found guilty.

KP will draw huge crowds if he plays in all IPL matches for daredevils.

[Aidan11]

[yorker_129-7]

As ever throughout this whole sorry farce KP has absolutely zero evidence for anything. Put up or shut up, Pietersen, or bugger off to be a T20 mercenary.

[hopeforthebest]

Kevin Pietersen has pressed England to carry out a serious investigation into his suspicion that his England team mates Graeme Swann and James Anderson were feeding information to the parody Twitter account - KP Genius - in a prolonged stalemate that continues to dog attempts to reintegrate him into the England team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ ... 81478.html

Anderson and Swann should be questioned by ECB. If they have indeed helped in creating this twitter mess then ECB might take action against them as well like they did to KP about team unity.

If the ECB is going to be even-handed, I would think that some investigation has to be made into the activities of Swann and Anderson....

I can't wait to see KP in the IPL!

Yes, ECB have to be fair in dealing with every cricketer. They cannot punish one and let the other scott free, if found guilty.

KP will draw huge crowds if he plays in all IPL matches for daredevils.

They will draw huge crowds whether Pietersen plays or not.