The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[D/L]

...and dl, your comment does not apply as this Nick Knight issue occurred before the retirement issues came to play

I have made no comment whatsoever on the criticisms of Knight and Vaughan, sp. They are matters of no concern to me. My comments have been restricted to the world of difference between the texts to the South African players and anything that anybody may have said on “Twitter”, the main one being that these are not made behind anyone’s back and the people making them may be called upon to justify them.

[shankycricket]

There does seem to be some double standards but IMO KP was rightly dropped.

The question is whether we will win more matches with KP or without him. What do you think? If its the former, then it surely can't be the "right" thing to drop KP? I wasu nder the impression that you play cricket or any other sport, for that matter, to win matches? Thats not rocket science, is it?

Nothing wrong with dropping him for one game. The problem I see is that, he hasn't been recalled as I was under the impression that he would be, if he apologised.

Well, maybe not. But leaving him out for the World T20, which Strauss is not even a part of, is utterly nonsensical.

[D/L]

...OSY, again you ignore the point. It is not about how offensive Anderson's words are, it is about how differing proceedures are in place depending on who says them.

It should be obvious that there is a world of difference between mild criticism on a public forum and the secretive sending of texts that appear to have been critical of colleagues in far more offensive way.

[D/L]

If that is the case then why all the fuss about KP sending those texts? Last I heard KP didn't give tips to Saff players about going around the wicket to AS. So what is left? he may have said that AS is a dumb captain. If Swann can get away by publicly criticising his own teammates in his book then KP too should have.

Many, many obvious points being missed here. Pietersen’s texts were never intended for publication. They appear to be the product of spite that he hoped would never have been discovered. That they were discovered does not make them equivalent to the more open and honest actions that some are rather desperately trying to equate Pietersen’s to.

The case for the defence becomes ever more hilarious. I thought we must have exhausted the silly excuses, but it seems not. Keep them coming – it’s a bit of a slow day.

[Kim]

I pretty much gave up on trying to have a rational discssion on this when Scyld Berry wrote yesterday that part of Kps ongoing motivation is that his brothers used to steal his sausages when his eyes were shut saying grace.

Oh dear

[D/L]

As always, there is this pedantry when it comes to KP. KP haters trying to find minor differences between the two cases and making it out that one is acceptable but not the other. The same old story!

And what are the “KP lovers” doing other than making ever more surreal excuses to justify his appalling behaviour?

The difference between open criticism and private, snide remarks is not minor and, to anyone with a bit of oil in his lamp, it would be obvious.

[Gingerfinch]

I pretty much gave up on trying to have a rational discssion on this when Scyld Berry wrote yesterday that part of Kps ongoing motivation is that his brothers used to steal his sausages when his eyes were shut saying grace.

Oh dear

[D/L]

What did Jimmy say about Vaughan?

Jimmy basically infered that Vaughan was not a people's person and that he thought he had no time for him and didnt rate him, and that he didnt treat him as an individual and hints that he lacked the skills to treat people as individuals. He also basically says that Vaughan's achievements came down to having a team of legends and not captaincy...

I’ve not seen all that documented anywhere but, if that is verbatim what Anderson said, at least he can’t be criticised for saying the 2005 Ashes success had little to do with Vaughan.

Oh, sorry, it was all inference!

[Slipstream]

To criticize a current teammate in open is bad.Swann also called Smait a mediocre fat spinner. I wonder if all those comments about Samit made by various members of the team come out in open how many of them will still be available for selection

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... d-axe.html

[D/L]

I have just tweeted Dilbert's comment. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Really? You surprise me. Most of it was nonsense, of course.

[D/L]

There does seem to be some double standards but IMO KP was rightly dropped.

The question is whether we will win more matches with KP or without him. What do you think? If its the former, then it surely can't be the "right" thing to drop KP? I was under the impression that you play cricket or any other sport, for that matter, to win matches? Thats not rocket science, is it?

Someone else who seems to believe that the end always justify the means. The answer to your question would be the degree to which Pietersen has become despised by his team mates, past, present and future.

Any team can only survive so much disharmony.

[Dilbert]

I have just tweeted Dilbert's comment. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Really? You surprise me. Most of it was nonsense, of course.

Now if thats not contradicting ones opinion, I dont know what is.
You always thought Shanky made illogical and nonsense comments, so why would it surprise you that he tweeted nonsense(as per you) comments?

Well done D/L

To quote yourself... keep them coming, its hilarious. Oh and btw, I dont mock or ridicule others on this site.

[hopeforthebest]

I pretty much gave up on trying to have a rational discssion on this when Scyld Berry wrote yesterday that part of Kps ongoing motivation is that his brothers used to steal his sausages when his eyes were shut saying grace.

Oh dear

More of that and this tread will be worth reading.

[meninblue]

This thread has some feel of 606.

[D/L]

I have just tweeted Dilbert's comment. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Really? You surprise me. Most of it was nonsense, of course.

Now if thats not contradicting ones opinion, I dont know what is.
You always thought Shanky made illogical and nonsense comments, so why would it surprise you that he tweeted nonsense(as per you) comments?

Well done D/L

To quote yourself... keep them coming, its hilarious. Oh and btw, I dont mock or ridicule others on this site.

Once again, Dilbert, I struggle to make any sense of your comments.

People who equate comments behind a person’s back with those made in the open are either disingenuous or stupid.