The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Alviro Patterson]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Indeed... its entirely fair that Morgan, a man with a FC average below 35 and test average just above 30, should be recalled in KP's place....

After all, the attitude display with both being put back into county cricket certifies 100% that the ECB got their decision right.....

Morgan scored 100 runs in 7 innings at 18 runs per go.... KP scored nearly 600 at a bradmanesque high 90's average, a best of unbeaten 234, another big hundred also......

Got to say, brilliant selection policies there....

It was Bairstow who replaced KP for the 3rd South Africa test.

The Morgan selection does shirk but has no relevance to why KP is dropped.

Ain't gonna happen...the IPL contract offers KP financial security, which he won't get from a poisoned relationship with the ECB.

ECB central contracts are designed to offer financial security but KP lost his.

[hopeforthebest]

I'm really disappointed with KP issuing a media statement through his PR guys; he had a great chance to show that he had listened and learned from the way the entire summer has unfolded by keeping quiet but sadly chose not to, on the plus side at least it was nothing that anyone can be angry with him saying and does at least give a little insight to what has been happening since the Test series including Strauss' continued involvement.

Still I wish he'd not done it, on the plus side though to me at least his exclusion does show that the ECB, Captain and Coach are commited to making sure that if he does come back it is only going to be when everything is properly sorted out rather than before hand, I am however amazed that the ECB have been unable to resolve this issue one way or another by now.

Up until now KP's contrition has all been paper talk, it may be different in private.

[D/L]

Morris on KP;

"There are issues still to be resolved Kevin has not been considered for selection for the India tour"

Seriously how can there still be issues to be resolved? It should either be yes or no by now.

Personally if I was KP, I'd tell them to stuff it. They're just taking the p*** now.

Maybe that's what they're hoping he'll do.

Many others will hope that he does.

[D/L]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Indeed... its entirely fair that Morgan, a man with a FC average below 35 and test average just above 30, should be recalled in KP's place....

After all, the attitude display with both being put back into county cricket certifies 100% that the ECB got their decision right.....

Morgan scored 100 runs in 7 innings at 18 runs per go.... KP scored nearly 600 at a bradmanesque high 90's average, a best of unbeaten 234, another big hundred also......

Got to say, brilliant selection policies there....

For entirely different reasons, neither of them should be in the squad, really.

Well done to the ECB on one of their decisions but what on earth were they thinking when they made the other one?

[D/L]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Sometimes I don't think people on this forum understand how an IPL contract works.

Yes, but first of all, they’d have to be interested.

[Alviro Patterson]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Sometimes I don't think people on this forum understand how an IPL contract works.

Yes, but first of all, they’d have to be interested.

IPL isn't the be all and end all of cricket.

IIRC Ravi Bopara opted out of IPL to regain his England test place, Paul Collingwood also opted out to play for Durham and Mitchell Starc turned down IPL to develop his game at Yorkshire.

[ddb]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Sometimes I don't think people on this forum understand how an IPL contract works.

Yes, but first of all, they’d have to be interested.

IPL isn't the be all and end all of cricket.

IIRC Ravi Bopara opted out of IPL to regain his England test place, Paul Collingwood also opted out to play for Durham and Mitchell Starc turned down IPL to develop his game at Yorkshire.

No one is saying it is. But none of them got contracts for this season and Collingwood wanted to go didn't he? But they didn't want him so sent him back to Durham. He missed a season due to injury so they had an option to cancel his contract. Starc btw, went into the auction and got rejected. He didn't turn it down unless the definition has changed. Bopara spun a story that he opted out, but he actually was otherwise engaged at the time.

And you're thinking that a player can ignore a contract that takes preference over his county contract which is nothing like these 3 players. I was just thinking a little facts would help in fantasy.

[sussexpob]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Indeed... its entirely fair that Morgan, a man with a FC average below 35 and test average just above 30, should be recalled in KP's place....

After all, the attitude display with both being put back into county cricket certifies 100% that the ECB got their decision right.....

Morgan scored 100 runs in 7 innings at 18 runs per go.... KP scored nearly 600 at a bradmanesque high 90's average, a best of unbeaten 234, another big hundred also......

Got to say, brilliant selection policies there....

For entirely different reasons, neither of them should be in the squad, really.

Well done to the ECB on one of their decisions but what on earth were they thinking when they made the other one?

We agree on a point on the KP retires thread, D/L??????


Maybe the ECB could learn a thing or two about that.... resolutions can be made in the most difficult times

[Alviro Patterson]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Sometimes I don't think people on this forum understand how an IPL contract works.

Yes, but first of all, they’d have to be interested.

IPL isn't the be all and end all of cricket.

IIRC Ravi Bopara opted out of IPL to regain his England test place, Paul Collingwood also opted out to play for Durham and Mitchell Starc turned down IPL to develop his game at Yorkshire.

No one is saying it is. But none of them got contracts for this season and Collingwood wanted to go didn't he? But they didn't want him so sent him back to Durham. Starc btw, went into the auction and got rejected. He didn't turn it down unless the definition has changed. Bopara spun a story that he opted out, but he actually was otherwise engaged at the time.

And you're thinking that a player can ignore a contract that takes preference over his county contract which is nothing like these 3 players. I was just thinking a little facts would help in fantasy.

Mitchell Starc pulled out of the IPL auction two days before

http://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/interv ... to-go/1205

"If I can contribute, please the crowd and do my bit for the team I’ll be happy. Originally I was in the IPL auction and there was a bit of chatting with my manager about the possibility of playing some county cricket."

"With back-to-back Ashes coming up next year the chance to come and play some cricket in England where I haven’t played before and play some longer form matches rather than t20 cricket – I thought that was better for my development."

"I pulled out of the IPL auction a couple of days before it happened and the opportunity to link up with Jason and Phil, the Australians, was the best thing moving forward for me. Having Jason here as the coach helps me with my development. I had him last year on the Australia A tour of Zimbabweso I’ve had a bit to do with him. I was watching him growing up and he’ll help me with my development as well. Having him on that tour was great. I just came back from an injury and to have him there to pick his brains about bowling was great. To have guys like him is always going to help you."

[ddb]

Mitchell Starc pulled out of the IPL auction two days before

http://www.yorkshireccc.com/news/interv ... to-go/1205

"If I can contribute, please the crowd and do my bit for the team I’ll be happy. Originally I was in the IPL auction and there was a bit of chatting with my manager about the possibility of playing some county cricket."

"With back-to-back Ashes coming up next year the chance to come and play some cricket in England where I haven’t played before and play some longer form matches rather than t20 cricket – I thought that was better for my development."

"I pulled out of the IPL auction a couple of days before it happened and the opportunity to link up with Jason and Phil, the Australians, was the best thing moving forward for me. Having Jason here as the coach helps me with my development. I had him last year on the Australia A tour of Zimbabweso I’ve had a bit to do with him. I was watching him growing up and he’ll help me with my development as well. Having him on that tour was great. I just came back from an injury and to have him there to pick his brains about bowling was great. To have guys like him is always going to help you."

That's a nice story. Had nothing to do with being rejected in big auction in 2011, or the fact most teams had a spot for just 1-2 OS players in 2012. But it was a great career move for him tbf as he isn't an established international yet. Nothing at all to do with KP's current situation, of course.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Given the way KP has behaved in the past few months, it's only right ECB are giving other players a chance and KP is back at the queue. Only way KP can get back in the England squad is to skip next years IPL and put runs on the board for Surrey.

Wasn't morgan at IPL? More than Pietersen. Over and above playing for his England place with his county. Can't see what you're getting at here Al. And Kevin hardly has to prove himself as a bat. Maybe the only way for KP to get back is for changes in the ECB.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I know that this isn't a reason for selection. But it is a shame that the Indian fans who would be looking forward to seeing Pietersen, won't get to see him. There will be a little less buzz about the series over there for his omission. Maybe even a few tickets less sold.

[hopeforthebest]

I know that this isn't a reason for selection. But it is a shame that the Indian fans who would be looking forward to seeing Pietersen, won't get to see him. There will be a little less buzz about the series over there for his omission. Maybe even a few tickets less sold.

He'll be in the commentary box so no problem there.

[D/L]

I know that this isn't a reason for selection. But it is a shame that the Indian fans who would be looking forward to seeing Pietersen, won't get to see him. There will be a little less buzz about the series over there for his omission. Maybe even a few tickets less sold.

We’d have liked to have seen more of Gayle in England but understand why we couldn’t. I dare say the Indian supporters will know why they won’t be seeing Pietersen and will understand too.

[Making_Splinters]

ECB was responsible for KP not being picked. Miller was told not to select him.

But presumably, the general middle order chaos comes down to Miller (perhaps Flower). He is responsible for selection.

“Miller was told not to pick him”? Any evidence for that or is just yet more wild speculation? Perhaps (so far) both Miller and the ECB share the same values.

Saying that the ECB was responsible for KP not being picked is a bit like saying the government were responsible for the end of John Stonehouse’s political career.

From the horse's mouth.

"I've not been given the opportunity to select him because of the issue," Miller told BBC Radio 5 live. "When the board says everything is OK, we will revisit the selection process.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19637672