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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:12 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:This goes back to the contract negotiations, which wouldn't be down to Flower.


That's old news, things have moved on since then. The issue is can Flower trust that Pietersen's change of heart is genuine or not. The fact that it hasn't been resolved suggests that Flower remains unconvinced.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:19 am

Lady Bracknell: To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.

Maybe Hugh Morris would think: To lose one coach to Pietersen is a misfortune, to lose two to him is a coach too far.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:24 am

hopeforthebest wrote:Lady Bracknell: To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.

Maybe Hugh Morris would think: To lose one coach to Pietersen is a misfortune, to lose two to him is a coach too far.


Then why are the ECB offering KP contracts?

While there is no solid source from Hoult's article it does seem very strange that the Coach is asking them not to consider KP at present while simultaneously the Board are trying to get his signature on a contract.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:50 am

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hopeforthebest wrote:Lady Bracknell: To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.

Maybe Hugh Morris would think: To lose one coach to Pietersen is a misfortune, to lose two to him is a coach too far.


Then why are the ECB offering KP contracts?

While there is no solid source from Hoult's article it does seem very strange that the Coach is asking them not to consider KP at present while simultaneously the Board are trying to get his signature on a contract.

I'd take the whole article with a pinch of salt. Hoult's reporting that the ECB have asked Pietersen to waive the right to legal action is very dubious. If the ECB's legal team were on the ball, this would never be as reported in the article.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:59 am

D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:Lady Bracknell: To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.

Maybe Hugh Morris would think: To lose one coach to Pietersen is a misfortune, to lose two to him is a coach too far.


Then why are the ECB offering KP contracts?

While there is no solid source from Hoult's article it does seem very strange that the Coach is asking them not to consider KP at present while simultaneously the Board are trying to get his signature on a contract.

I'd take the whole article with a pinch of salt. Hoult's reporting that the ECB have asked Pietersen to waive the right to legal action is very dubious. If the ECB's legal team were on the ball, this would never be as reported in the article.


As I said with regards to that article it does seem very strange however not entirely unprecedented as the WICB did demand that Gayle dropped his legal case against them before he would be selected again, not identical as it was not written into a contract.

One could revert back to default lines of some that KP has not denied that he rejected signing a contract of course.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:59 am

The delaying naming of the squad to India because they were negotiating a contract with KP about him not going to India is strange as well.

Another public apology for sending texts? When was the first?

And why would the ECB stick over him commentating? And why would KP stick over him commentating?

From the brief details cant see why KP would sign a 4 month contract either.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:03 am

Kim wrote:The delaying naming of the squad to India because they were negotiating a contract with KP about him not going to India is strange as well.

Another public apology? When was the first?

And why would the ECB stick over him commentating? And why would KP stick over him commentating?


One would assume he has a contract with ESPN.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:26 am

Buit it's a contract that the ECB could, apparently, have vetoed through the ICC. Its all a bit odd
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby meninblue » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:12 pm

KP and Wasimbhai in discussion on Cricket extra. He has made some very good points technically already. Doing very good in his new profession IMO. :clap
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby meninblue » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:43 pm

He's been given the bat in the studio to demonstrate the batting technique.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:45 pm

I think when both KP and Flower return from their separate duties at the T20WC there is a window of opportunity for the two to get together and sort things out. If it is sorted before Flower takes the squad to India, KP will get a central contract and be in the squad for the one day games after Christmas. If their talks fail then KP's international career may well be over.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:37 pm

If there is any truth in that Telegraph article about the Board pushing to get KPs pen on paper then I suspect there is a move to take the situation out of the hands of the Captain and Coach who have been unable to resolve this as of yet and the players will be told to like it or lump it.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:44 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:If there is any truth in that Telegraph article


Spot on splinters.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:52 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:If there is any truth in that Telegraph article


Spot on splinters.


It's an odd one. Saying that there have been contracts offered is a fairly huge news story and marks a definite shift in approach however it's not been carried anywhere else as of yet nor was it mentioned by KP or Morris, there is plenty of reason to be sceptical about things in the press as the storys about KP passing tactical information showed.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby greyblazer » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:32 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:If there is any truth in that Telegraph article


Spot on splinters.


It's an odd one. Saying that there have been contracts offered is a fairly huge news story and marks a definite shift in approach however it's not been carried anywhere else as of yet nor was it mentioned by KP or Morris, there is plenty of reason to be sceptical about things in the press as the storys about KP passing tactical information showed.


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