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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:29 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.

As long as the coach makes the "right" decision, of course. If he judges the mood of his employers correctly, the chances are that he will.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.


I'm not convinced it's such a satisfactory outcome, I think they should have given him a full term contract as a sign of their good faith. He's now going to be effectively a second class citizen in the dressing room which I don't like at all.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:39 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:I'm not convinced it's such a satisfactory outcome, I think they should have given him a full term contract as a sign of their good faith. He's now going to be effectively a second class citizen in the dressing room which I don't like at all.

If second class citizen ship is the right phrase, Pietersen should count himself very fortunate that he’s even got that.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:39 pm

D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.

As long as the coach makes the "right" decision, of course. If he judges the mood of his employers correctly, the chances are that he will.


And what would the "right" decision be D/L?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:42 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.

As long as the coach makes the "right" decision, of course. If he judges the mood of his employers correctly, the chances are that he will.


And what would the "right" decision be D/L?

The one he thinks his employers would want him to make, of course, unless he displays more principles than they, M_S. It may be more of a rubber stamping exercise than a decision, anyway.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:44 pm

D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:He's been put on probation.


Pretty much, very sensible decision leaving the final say in whether or not it will be extended in the hands of the Coach who has to work with these players day in day out.

As long as the coach makes the "right" decision, of course. If he judges the mood of his employers correctly, the chances are that he will.


And what would the "right" decision be D/L?

The one he thinks his employers would want him to make, of course, unless he displays more principles than they, M_S. It may be more of a rubber stamping exercise than a decision, anyway.


And why are the ECB lacking in principles over their decision to proceed in this fashion D/L?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:46 pm

Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:53 pm

D/L wrote:Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.


Yes it would, it would be resorting back to a differing of opions based on far less informed picture than those who decided on what the best way forward is.

I believe I said above that the next line people would take would be casting aspersions on the motives of the Board, seems I was spot on there.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:59 pm

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D/L wrote:Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.


Yes it would, it would be resorting back to a differing of opions based on far less informed picture than those who decided on what the best way forward is.

I believe I said above that the next line people would take would be casting aspersions on the motives of the Board, seems I was spot on there.

It may also be spot on to point to the naïveté of people who unquestioningly accept the decisions of people who have more information at their disposal, as though that information will always make the decision wiser and fairer.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:02 pm

D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.


Yes it would, it would be resorting back to a differing of opions based on far less informed picture than those who decided on what the best way forward is.

I believe I said above that the next line people would take would be casting aspersions on the motives of the Board, seems I was spot on there.

It may also be spot on to point to the naïveté of people who unquestioningly accept the decisions of people who have more information at their disposal, as though that information will always make the decision wiser and fairer.


I would think it would be signficantly wiser than one based off solely inferance and the second hand reporting of the press who have a decidedly patch record on getting their facts right on this matter.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:13 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.


Yes it would, it would be resorting back to a differing of opions based on far less informed picture than those who decided on what the best way forward is.

I believe I said above that the next line people would take would be casting aspersions on the motives of the Board, seems I was spot on there.

It may also be spot on to point to the naïveté of people who unquestioningly accept the decisions of people who have more information at their disposal, as though that information will always make the decision wiser and fairer.


I would think it would be signficantly wiser than one based off solely inferance and the second hand reporting of the press who have a decidedly patch record on getting their facts right on this matter.

And one not based at all upon the possible, nay probable, underlying motives for the decision and the reaction (or rather, non-reaction) of Pietersen and his acolytes to the actions attributed to them?

Significantly more naïve, perhaps.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:19 pm

D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:
Making_Splinters wrote:
D/L wrote:Now that really would be going over old ground, M_S.


Yes it would, it would be resorting back to a differing of opions based on far less informed picture than those who decided on what the best way forward is.

I believe I said above that the next line people would take would be casting aspersions on the motives of the Board, seems I was spot on there.

It may also be spot on to point to the naïveté of people who unquestioningly accept the decisions of people who have more information at their disposal, as though that information will always make the decision wiser and fairer.


I would think it would be signficantly wiser than one based off solely inferance and the second hand reporting of the press who have a decidedly patch record on getting their facts right on this matter.

And one not based at all upon the possible, nay probable, underlying motives for the decision and the reaction (or rather, non-reaction) of Pietersen and his acolytes to the actions attributed to them?

Significantly more naïve, perhaps.


Or in other words what you have decided on your own volition is the case.

This is becoming rather pointless to say the least, those who have professed repeatedly that they don't want to see KP back in the team are now switching to what are essentially conspiracy theories to continue their argument.

With the ECB having made up it's mind there really does seem little reason to continue to indulge this matter.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby The Waugh Twins » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:57 pm

I can't follow what you Lawyers above are going on about, but in my humble opinion I wouldn't have him back in the Aussie side much like we left out Symonds.

I'm a big fan of Pietersen, and was an even bigger fan of Symonds, but there comes a time when you have to side with morality over gain.

I don't know exactly what the tweets were all about, but this is not the first odd Pietersen issue and it wont be the last. A great player, but perhaps not a great person.

It was a tough decision to drop Symonds bringing a lot of negative reaction and also left Australia a weaker team. :salute
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby KipperJohn » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:24 pm

The Waugh Twins wrote:I can't follow what you Lawyers above are going on about, but in my humble opinion I wouldn't have him back in the Aussie side much like we left out Symonds.

I'm a big fan of Pietersen, and was an even bigger fan of Symonds, but there comes a time when you have to side with morality over gain.

I don't know exactly what the tweets were all about, but this is not the first odd Pietersen issue and it wont be the last. A great player, but perhaps not a great person.

It was a tough decision to drop Symonds bringing a lot of negative reaction and also left Australia a weaker team. :salute


You can usually count on an Aussie to get the nub of the matter right. :salute

However, we want to beat you lot so most of us I'd guess want him in the team, if rather guardedly......

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