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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:33 am

#Brown wrote:idk if it's already been posted but I thought Selvey's piece in the guardian summarised the entire situation pretty well. Not normally a big fan of his either tbh.

Here's the link if anyone's interested: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... n-comeback)

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end.

A well written, interesting and insightful article, #B. It is hard to disagree with a single word.

Although Selvey uses a different phrase, he highlights the likely sullen acceptance of the situation in the dressing room I mentioned when describing the ECB's short term problems following the abandonment of their principles.

To quote Churchill, "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning".
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:43 am

He didn't contextualise the 'greed' in terms of what other players expect. He just isolated his behaviour. Of course other players asked for T20 contracts that were ultimately in excess of what the franchises thought they were worth.

He brings up, critically, the money he earned from ESPN, which is irrelevant, and he is only earning this because England didn't pick him.

He characterised him negatively as being concerned with his legacy, as if that is a bad thing. As if it is unusual.

He didn't look at whether other people might be responsible as well for the bad feeling in the side.

It was ridiculously bombastic. "...rather than an agreement having been reached, it appears more like an armistice, with direct hostilities halted but reparations to be made."

It ignores provocation, such as ECB leaks to the press.

It is very partial. OK, it is an opinion piece, but when he considers whether fault lies elsewhere, he says, "all this is nonsense". Without giving a reason why. Other than KP had at times been integrated in the team. That seems to be nonsense to me.

The ominous, 'source close to the team' who actually doesn't say anything specific or new.

I'm only a third of the way in, but I'm as bored as you are, so I'll stop. But it is an article written from a single perspective. Personally, it is the lack of any empathy that is the most damning. It is written to suit a purpose, which is to trash KP. In that it was a great success.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:55 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:He didn't contextualise the 'greed' in terms of what other players expect. He just isolated his behaviour. Of course other players asked for T20 contracts that were ultimately in excess of what the franchises thought they were worth.

He brings up, critically, the money he earned from ESPN, which is irrelevant, and he is only earning this because England didn't pick him.

He characterised him negatively as being concerned with his legacy, as if that is a bad thing. As if it is unusual.

He didn't look at whether other people might be responsible as well for the bad feeling in the side.

It was ridiculously bombastic. "...rather than an agreement having been reached, it appears more like an armistice, with direct hostilities halted but reparations to be made."

It ignores provocation, such as ECB leaks to the press.

It is very partial. OK, it is an opinion piece, but when he considers whether fault lies elsewhere, he says, "all this is nonsense". Without giving a reason why. Other than KP had at times been integrated in the team. That seems to be nonsense to me.

The ominous, 'source close to the team' who actually doesn't say anything specific or new.

I'm only a third of the way in, but I'm as bored as you are, so I'll stop. But it is an article written from a single perspective. Personally, it is the lack of any empathy that is the most damning. It is written to suit a purpose, which is to trash KP. In that it was a great success.


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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:03 pm

Just my sense of fair play, old boy.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:06 pm

It seems, rather than modifying them in the light of the revelations since, that some are defending their own original viewpoints as much as they are Pietersen. Some of the arguments put forward continue to be surreal, to say the least.

To those who say the media are not telling the truth, I would ask how else are we supposed to form our opinions on any event outside our own sphere of influence?

The tone and content of the reporting across almost the entire media and the actions of the Pietersen camp when the allegations were put to them strongly suggest who are the guilty parties in all this.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:21 pm

AC Pietersen is part of the world of sports representation and getting their clients 'high profiles' and creating 'brands' is what they are all about.

I remember back in 2009 during the ashes, Mathew Hayden was on TMS several times and he spent most of his time promoting the IPL using words such as 'great brand' and 'wonderful product'. That's clearly how KP thinks and has spoken.

Selvey was simply telling how it is in the world that KP lives in, no more, no less.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:22 pm

Given ECB statement sort of said texts were OK, IM not sure I know what KP aplogised for yesterday
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:27 pm

I think Vic Marks says that in the article I linked. Quite funny and worth reading.

Shows how twisted all this is when Giles Clarke sounds like a key worker operating out of a young offenders institute. Maybe he's got his notes mixed up with Mohammad Amir's.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:30 pm

Is KP as weird as Hayden, Hope? Doesn't come across that way. Has KP been saying that you have to get your three Ps in order, while on ESPN?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:30 pm

I can never take Giles Clarke seriously until he gets a proper haircut.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:32 pm

That's obviously how his mum likes his hair, isn't it. Would go well with a sailor suit.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:41 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:That's obviously how his mum likes his hair, isn't it. Would go well with a sailor suit.


Yesterday was the first time I've seen Giles Clarke speak and I was totally unimpressed. I feel sorry for KP having to spend two and a half hours listening to him.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Kim » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:59 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I think Vic Marks says that in the article I linked. Quite funny and worth reading.

Shows how twisted all this is when Giles Clarke sounds like a key worker operating out of a young offenders institute. Maybe he's got his notes mixed up with Mohammad Amir's.


Just read it - "reintegrated as parrots" - :clap
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby ddb » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:05 pm

Is Selvey KP's former advisor?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby KipperJohn » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:52 am

Wasn't it Clarke who got into bed with Stanford? If that's the case then it's hardly surprisng this has been handled with such pomposity and incompetence.

I don't have much sympathy for KP in all this but it's been dealt with terribly.

I didn't watch it and I'm not going too. It's hardly a case of being dealt with behind closed doors.

They should have just issued a statement and got on with life.
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