Arthur Crabtree wrote:Worth pointing out that Miller's title was national selector, not Chairman of Selectors, and Flower is team director and not team coach
Arthur Crabtree wrote:I understand all that, Flower is head coach in charge of all England related business. But I've never heard any suggestion that he is in charge of selection, from either Flower or Miller. So that's strange. Why do they seem to go out of their way to suggest the opposite? Taking Moores off the selection panel happened post the Schofield report, as was the whole of the Moores era. When Miller retired, press reports assumed he was in charge of selection. It's good that you've made clear Flower's role. I'll keep an open mind about the selection part.
clubcricketeradi wrote:I have felt that Ashley has a lot of say in team selection or the top level planning with regards to selection.I am referring to Rankins progress from Ireland to England squads after having some influence in him showing permanent association with England domestic cricket system.Whatever happened about Rankins career choices, Ashleys new role at ECB and Warwickshire as well as his comments and eventually Rankins progress to main squad gives me a feeling Ashley has a huge say. He's already played ODI and T20.Now in test squad as well.
Kim wrote:Noone new at all is there ? I thought they might have a look at Mooen Ali to assess if he really has come on or is just enjoying the Div 2 effect.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Kim wrote:Noone new at all is there ? I thought they might have a look at Mooen Ali to assess if he really has come on or is just enjoying the Div 2 effect.
sussexpob wrote:clubcricketeradi wrote:I have felt that Ashley has a lot of say in team selection or the top level planning with regards to selection.I am referring to Rankins progress from Ireland to England squads after having some influence in him showing permanent association with England domestic cricket system.Whatever happened about Rankins career choices, Ashleys new role at ECB and Warwickshire as well as his comments and eventually Rankins progress to main squad gives me a feeling Ashley has a huge say. He's already played ODI and T20.Now in test squad as well.
I think this selection shows Flower's esteem in Giles, and with all the coyness about Flower's future even before this series began, I would expect within a 3- 24 month period Giles will have the full Director's job. I would say if i had to guess that Flower will quit by the end of the English summer. He has been directly asked about his future and has brushed the subject off, leading some people to think that Miller/Morris yo-yo'ing around the ECB will be followed up in January with the notification that Flower will stand down, but I cant see it happening that early. I think at this point we can write off the sack for Flower. I think even a 5-0 drubbing here would not even begin to rock the boat enough for the ECB to take that decision, whether rightly or wrongly.
I think England are now such an entity that changes across the board are needed to really notice much effect. Giles is, in essence, Flower MK II, so I doubt that the change there would make much of a difference. And the nature of Flower's tenure means that the team has become so wide and all encompassing, rafting the changes all across the structure would be catastrophic.
I think Schofield was needed, despite the scorn at the time. It provided England a more focused gameplan in the long run. The problem is that the system now is overblown, there seems to many chefs in the kitchen, all with different opinions and different aims. Australia seem to have benefitted from a rather unflustered approach, and tbf I think that has increased the intensity in their squad.
sussexpob wrote:Kim wrote:Noone new at all is there ? I thought they might have a look at Mooen Ali to assess if he really has come on or is just enjoying the Div 2 effect.
His SR of over 100 presents an instant problem for Giles. He might actually push us to competitive scores away from home
Kim wrote:
Interested to know why you say that and on what basis. You can probably already tell I don't agree!
Kim wrote:sussexpob wrote:Kim wrote:Noone new at all is there ? I thought they might have a look at Mooen Ali to assess if he really has come on or is just enjoying the Div 2 effect.
His SR of over 100 presents an instant problem for Giles. He might actually push us to competitive scores away from home
7 one day 1oos as well. Worth a look in this series Id have thought. Oh well.
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