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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Making_Splinters » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:47 pm

Downton needs removing. He has shown little if any ability in any facet of his supposed role at the ECB. Combined with the almost Mugabe esque desire from Clarke to hang on to power, there needs to be a blood letting at the ECB.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby m@tt » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:55 pm

It's said that the "sacking", or more accurately the termination of his central contract, was down to KP as he didn't want any blocks to playing in the IPL. As his employer, the ECB could in theory have blocked him from playing. Though on the flip side, he probably could have gone to India anyway - what would the ECB have done? He was already dropped, and any financial sanctions wouldn't have come close to his IPL salary.

I think everyone here knows the method of getting rid of Pietersen was wrong. He should have gone to the World T20 - by all accounts he had a decent relationship with Giles and Broad - and then when the new coach was picked, it should have then been decided. Downton's opinion should have been irrelevant. Flower's thoughts should certainly have been taken into consideration, but ultimately it should have been down to the new coach and captain, whilst also working with the selectors to choose a replacement.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:59 pm

The sacking and the termination of the contract are two different things. It was only being permanently removed from England duties that made the termination of KP's contract advantageous to him.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Aidan11 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:48 am

Either way the ECB made a major pig's ear out of it.

Downton must go.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby KipperJohn » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:18 am

The KP saga is only a part of the bigger picture = ie a collective failure of the Board to carry out a wide ranging review of all the issues arising from the tour- and there were many.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby sussexpob » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:28 am

KipperJohn wrote:The KP saga is only a part of the bigger picture = ie a collective failure of the Board to carry out a wide ranging review of all the issues arising from the tour- and there were many.


Wasn't it the Schofield review that created the overblown management system we have now? Remember the uproar in all parts when the Schofield review was commissioned?
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby KipperJohn » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:18 am

sussexpob wrote:
KipperJohn wrote:The KP saga is only a part of the bigger picture = ie a collective failure of the Board to carry out a wide ranging review of all the issues arising from the tour- and there were many.


Wasn't it the Schofield review that created the overblown management system we have now? Remember the uproar in all parts when the Schofield review was commissioned?


Schofield review or not IMHO it was the Board's duty to examine all facets of the tour. In fact they should carry out a review of the systems on a regular basis - then they might see that the 'overblown' management system doesn't work. Presumably they thought it sufficient to appoint a new MD and rely on him to sort it out. Whilst the CEO/MD may well have delegated powers to act, the Board is ultimately responsible and should be asking searching questions of its management on a regular basis.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby KipperJohn » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:18 am

sussexpob wrote:
KipperJohn wrote:The KP saga is only a part of the bigger picture = ie a collective failure of the Board to carry out a wide ranging review of all the issues arising from the tour- and there were many.


Wasn't it the Schofield review that created the overblown management system we have now? Remember the uproar in all parts when the Schofield review was commissioned?


Schofield review or not IMHO it was the Board's duty to examine all facets of the tour. In fact they should carry out a review of the systems on a regular basis - then they might see that the 'overblown' management system doesn't work. Presumably they thought it sufficient to appoint a new MD and rely on him to sort it out. Whilst the CEO/MD may well have delegated powers to act, the Board is ultimately responsible and should be asking searching questions of its management on a regular basis.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby rich1uk » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:31 am

ricky ponting stirring things asking KP about his book , interesting comment he made however that he had been told by an England player that all the quotes KP had attributed to the England dressing room were 100% accurate
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:21 am

rich1uk wrote:ricky ponting stirring things asking KP about his book , interesting comment he made however that he had been told by an England player that all the quotes KP had attributed to the England dressing room were 100% accurate

Pietersen came off quite well in this. About the only time he was (imo) less than forthright was when Ponting asked him about what happened between him and Strauss.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Aidan11 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:14 pm

Are KP and James Faulkner just mates having a bit of banter on Twitter or is it something more personal?
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:24 pm

What, you think they might be lovers?


I think they are just mates.
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby andy » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:51 pm

Aidan11 wrote:Are KP and James Faulkner just mates having a bit of banter on Twitter or is it something more personal?



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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Aidan11 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:37 pm

KP is never going to go away.

ECB should bring him back, hope he has a poor run with the bat, then drop him on merit so they can say "See, we were right".
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Re: The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

Postby Albondiga » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:33 pm

KP is yesterday's man - he can hardly score a run and in his new guise he's an even worse commentator.
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