Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

[SaintPowelly]

This seems to be very much a chicken and egg argument.

England are chickens with egg on their face

[Making_Splinters]

England need to plan for the next World Cup, that does not mean selecting 11 players now and saying that's our team for 2019. What it means is having a firm road map of where the side is expected to be at regular intervals between now and then.

The first thing would be to highlight 20 - 30 players and say in two years time they will have all played at least two series. We need to take risks, get a decent sized cohort with some international experiance then review how the side is developed.

It is a joke that we went into our first game of a World Cup not even knowing what our first choice team was.

[Aidan11]

If we tear everything up, pick 20 up and coming players, stick with the good members of the current squad and be brave enough to ditch those who will be too old in four years time.

Stick with theses players. Everyone goes through a bad trot so of they have a bad series they shouldn't be "sent back to their counties to get some runs".


Continuity is the key. Oh and get rid of Moores too.

[Alviro Patterson]

If we tear everything up, pick 20 up and coming players, stick with the good members of the current squad and be brave enough to ditch those who will be too old in four years time.

Stick with theses players. Everyone goes through a bad trot so of they have a bad series they shouldn't be "sent back to their counties to get some runs".

Continuity is the key. Oh and get rid of Moores too.

Disagree entirely.

Go down the route of identifying a core squad, the opposition will have worked us come out come 2019.

The favouritism culture is what has crippled England (i.e. Keiswetter, Dernbach, Bopara). Competition should be as healthy as possible and if any player isn't performing they should be dropped.

[Slipstream]

England should be planning for the next (post-WC) game, not 2019 or 2017, the best set of players on a series by series basis should be picked.

I agree, it should be series by series. The only thing is the next ODI game is one where the current players are given a rest. It could be a chance for someone to impress. Next series is against NZ. McCullum

[andy]

England should be planning for the next (post-WC) game, not 2019 or 2017, the best set of players on a series by series basis should be picked.

I agree, it should be series by series. The only thing is the next ODI game is one where the current players are given a rest. It could be a chance for someone to impress. Next series is against NZ. McCullum

again i completely agree...next series, next game, thats what its about

[Making_Splinters]

England should be planning for the next (post-WC) game, not 2019 or 2017, the best set of players on a series by series basis should be picked.

I agree, it should be series by series. The only thing is the next ODI game is one where the current players are given a rest. It could be a chance for someone to impress. Next series is against NZ. McCullum

This is exactly the lack of forward thinking that ended us up in this mess and sees talented players given a single series before being dropped never having had chance to get their feet under the desk.

England need a 4 year plan broken down into clear, quantifiable goals. The first priority has to be casting the net wide and identifying players with the potential to do well in the modern ODI game, then getting them some experiance at international level. Saying these are the 20 or 30 players who show promise and then building on that to ensure that they have all had 10 or more games in 2 years time is what England needs to do.

Once we have a decent number of players who have been tried out, then take stock, look around again if needed and build from there. This refusal to look at a long term picture is exactly why we have failed repeated to build a side for major competitions. It's easy to forget that Taylor may well have never even got a game if Cook hadn't got himself banned and now people are already picking him as the captain of the side!

[dan08]

Thing is some of our players who'll play in the 2019 WC might not even be county cricketers at the moment so it's going to be really difficult to identify them. For example, Billings who was close to making the squad for this WC hadn't even played a county match by the time the 2011 WC was over.

[Making_Splinters]

Again, I don't know why some are so determined to make the idea of planning for the next World Cup synonymous with selecting a group of players now and saying, "Right, that's it".

You're highly unlikely to pick a player who's had less than two years on the county circuit to play for England, so selecting your group of players you want to try out and give some experiance two over the next two years has no issue with that.

I don't know why we're so resistant to the idea that England need to start planning now when England's lack of planning was so brutally exposed in the last few weeks.

[Gingerfinch]

What's the plan then, splinters? More on the field, as in playing more aggressive cricket, with more aggressive players, or off the field?

[Making_Splinters]

As I've said a few times now, Dr, I'd want to see England get around 20 to 30 players into international cricket with two series to their name. I'd want to see England taking more chances, picking those players who can single handedly turn a game on its head and trying to get into a modern way of thinking.

I'm coming round the idea that England need a One Day coach, someone with proven experiance either domestically or internationally of winning One Day competitions completely seperate to the Test team. Part of the problem with Giles was he was always under Flower.

[Gingerfinch]

I see Jimmy wants to carry on. With our apparent lack of good bowlers, him staying on, and wanting to plat in four years time, can only be good, though I was initially against it.

[Dr Cricket]

Agree with Splinter on the goal bit.
I reckon England should pick their best team or squad at all times, Bowler could get rested but ideally the best bowlers should play most of the Marquee series AKA India,SA,Aus, Sri lanka, NZ.
Lucky enough for England the next world cup at home so they could justify missing series abroad although I wouldn't do it all the time since playing more ODI is the key not missing most of them.
Said so many time before the World Cup that Anderson missed to many games away from home and his ODI record flattered him same with broad.

Another thing England management need to get a grip if Sri lanka, Pakistan, West indies come over for a May-june series, The test really shouldn't be a priority since England would win the test series easily 9 times out of 10 without even trying, So it is stupid and idiotic for England to rest or decrease the importance of those odi series that follow which usually are more competitive and generally harder to win.
Basically saying England should flip the priorities between ODI/Test depending on opposition and prestige.
If sri lanka, Pakistan, West indies are gonna be a bigger challenge in ODI then ODI take priorities especially since England get more out of beating these sides in ODI than winning an one sided test series that literally no one really cares about.

Test against Aus, SA, India or any test side that will give a challenge should be a priority but it doesn't mean the ODI are forgotten, Teams should still be working on their odi skills and players should still be working on their roles in the sides and coaches/Captain on the strategy.
At this world cup england had no Strategy, No players knew their role either in batting or bowling baffling in a world cup that should have really suited them England go out so easily.

It is time England and English fans start treating ODI with respect it is so crazy that people believe Test against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Home test against lesser nations is better than World Cups, ODI series against Aus, India, SA or stronger ODI teams.

Time their forget about the different formats and just concentrated on winning series irrespective of which format.
For me the format doesn't really matter but the strength of the team if India beats SA, Aus in ODI I would class that as a better achievement then winning test matches at home against WI, NZ or any side India are clear favourites to win.

[Making_Splinters]

I don't think England can just pick their "Best Team" because we have no idea what that is. We need to be taking chances, getting guys like Roy, Billings and Vince into the side and seeing what they can do at the top level.

[Aidan11]

Aanderson and Broad are better off retiring from short form internationals to concentrate on tests.