Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

[Aidan11]

I fear that by next summer we'll still have virtually all of this current WC squad still playing in the side.

Jobs for the boys.

[rich1uk]

assuming everyone is fit and available the team I would probably like to see in the next ODI series proper would be

bell
hales
taylor
root
buttler
moeen
stokes
willey
woakes
Jordan
finn

bats all the way down to #10, has 6 genuine bowling options with root as a backup

get finn away from saker and he has the raw talent and ability to do well imo , I think we need some experience in the team for the short term and have left bell in for that reason and would probably make him captain

[Arthur Crabtree]

Just Finn and Bell I'm not keen on, as a best team. Though they should look at some new players

[Aidan11]

I'd still have Bell but age isn't on his side for the next WC.

Finn I think may need to be dropped though.

[rich1uk]

and based on current form I would agree, the steve finn that played that ODI series away in india a couple of years ago looked a very good ODI bowler, he bowled with pace and control, hes lost that but I like to hope its still in him and with the right coaching he can be that player again

I accept that the place to do that might be away from the full team however

[Arthur Crabtree]

They could both have a future, Anderson too. I just feel the team should try and create a new identity around the players who are getting a lot of votes, and have a look at a few of the other possibles.

[Aidan11]

Finn probably wont get dropped while Angus Fraser is a selector.

[rich1uk]

i'm not sure starting with a complete blank sheet of paper is required

if bell and finn weren't there I wouldn't complain , I think the other 9 are fine and have tried to plug the gaps where I think we fell short in the world cup

saker was always talked about as being more of a tactics man than a technical coach, well his tactics were lousy and he doesn't appear to have helped guys like finn and Jordan very much with their technical flaws , maybe I am putting more faith in a new bowling coach getting more out of guys who I think have the raw talent

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'm not starting from scratch though. I'm just building around a different generation. Older players can still figure.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Can't rule out getting experienced players from the county game. Gidman as an example. Not just accepting that older England players who aren't excelling should be kept to offer an experience balance.

[shankycricket]

I know Bell was England's leading runscorer in the World Cup but to me, he, in many ways, epitomises the acceptance of mediocrity that has plagued English limited overs cricket for the last 2 decades. Here's a guy who has got 4 hundreds in 160 odd ODIs despite playing pretty much all his cricket at the top of the order and still gets picked because he was the best of a bad bunch. How about backing the youngsters and giving them time to bed in rather than settling for short term fixes that breed mediocrity? This is just the perfect opportunity for England to be ruthless and go forward with a fresh, new approach.

Speaking of his performances in this World Cup, it pretty much summed up his career. Got some decent scores to boost his average but how many of the innings were actually meaningful? His fifty against Scotland was a painful knock, where he kept piling on the pressure on Moeen and had it not been for the latter making up for it, it could've gone haywire for England. Against SL he got a 40 odd and was dismissed - typical. Against BD, he started off well, got bogged down against the spinners, recovered a bit, got bogged down again before getting out at a critical juncture for another middling score at a middling strike rate. In fairness, it was a cracker of a delivery to get him and not the usual soft dismissal but it was another typical Ian Bell ODI innings - good for the stats, not so much for the team. His unbeaten fifty against Afghanistan in a low scoring chase in a dead rubber was proper average boosting stuff.

By no means, am I singling out Bell as the reason behind England's World Cup debacle, far from it. But if England are to properly move forward in ODI cricket with a fresh approach, they need to resist the temptation of picking guys like Bell in the short term, who will do well enough to not get dropped but won't win you games.He is not that young either. Time to move on!

[shankycricket]

Finn is a trickier case. Given the way he was going a couple of years ago, you'd have expected him to amongst the very best in the world by now but his regression has been inexplicable. One can hope, under a new coach and new management, he'll come back with renewed vigour to lead the English attack. Would certainly have in my plans for the future but probably better off working with his county for the early half of the season to get his game back on track before international selection.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I didn't see Bell's innings against Afghanistan, but the others I saw reminded me of Cook last summer, he scored about twenty runs for every chance that went down off him. His fifties came against Afghanistan, Scotland and BD. He felt of a piece with a disappointing campaign, rather than a victim of it.

My hunch is that he'll survive the debacle though.

[Alviro Patterson]

It's going to take more than just changes in personnel in the national team for England to have a successful World Cup. The ECB have lost sight of One Day cricket at domestic level, a mistake when ODI cricket is bread and butter for most international teams.

Domestic One Day cricket has suffered with the regular tinkering of format changes. Just as the ECB found a happy medium with the Friends Provident Trophy 50 over competition, it was soon scrapped in favour of Pro40. Understandable at the time when 40 over cricket was popular with counties for financial reasons, but the format of group winners and best 2nd place through to the semi-finals was not. Combined with Twenty20 cricket becoming the lifeblood for non test venue counties and the ECB providing financial incentives for counties to develop players in the County Championship, one day cricket became a distant third and as far as an inconvenience to some counties who opted to field weakened sides in order to manage a heavy laden domestic schedule.

When a domestic competition has gone through so much upheaval in a relatively short space of time, it's nigh on impossible for one day specialist players to develop their skills and earn England recognition through performances, hence why England ODI selection is rather muddled.

Planning for the Champions Trophy and 2019 World Cup begins by focusing on the Royal London One Day Cup. Play the RLODC group stages in May, start and end the tournament with a spurt of matches around the Bank Holiday period. During the middle of May play County Championship matches Weds-Sat with RLODC matches on Sundays. Knockout stages to be played on weekends during June, immediately after a round of County Championship matches although it means not all Quarter Final matches will be televised.

That way England players will get some game time with their counties in both formats before the summer internationals, whilst giving performances county players a window of opportunity to push for England selection.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I wonder how much domestic 50 over cricket the players of successful teams are playing though. England are losing to Holland, Ireland, Bangladesh (and not in Asia) and series at home to Asian teams. The bar is so low. While there are problems with the structure of the domestic game, I can't help feeling that the short term issue is a failure to get anything like the best out of the players it does produce. It's not that they aren't excelling, it's that they fail to be even adequate. Bangladesh made the last eight, and have beaten England in three of the last four encounters (so I read). Their pace bowlers out bowled England's. Improving the domestic structure will bring long term improvements. But it's the acute failings that stopped England from getting out of their group, rather than the chronic ones, in my opinion.