First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:55 pm

England in a great position. And pleased to see WI resisting.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:00 pm

Tredwell did ok because the WI obviously talked about attacking him, and he made that hard. He changed pace and angle well. Did a job for the team in an attritional way, and it's only day two, but he didn't really look threatening. Flat pitch, obviously.

Cook was reluctant to keep catchers in again, even though the catches would have carried to the slips.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Robert » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:01 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:England in a great position. And pleased to see WI resisting.


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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby ddb » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:06 pm

What are WI gonna do without Chanderpaul?
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby SaintPowelly » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:14 pm

ddb wrote:What are WI gonna do without Chanderpaul?


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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby yuppie » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:23 pm

ddb wrote:What are WI gonna do without Chanderpaul?


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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Alviro Patterson » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:36 pm

ddb wrote:What are WI gonna do without Chanderpaul?


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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:20 am

ddb wrote:What are WI gonna do without Chanderpaul?

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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:53 am

We have a conservative, scared rubbish captain who has no idea how to make good decisions. He and no doubt his mentor (Moores) didn't notice that WI took wickets in the morning session before the pitch and conditions changed. A decent captain would have been aware that on the morning of the second day there was a rain shower and taken advantage of the chance to give Jimmy the new ball first thing by declaring on 341.
Now they start day three and must wait until after lunch to get a new ball. Of course there's every chance that the WI batsmen will aid England by crap batting but Cook doesn't deserve that to happen.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby mikesiva » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:08 am

:lmaoagain

Let's say, all of the above....
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:08 am

hopeforthebest wrote:We have a conservative, scared rubbish captain who has no idea how to make good decisions. He and no doubt his mentor (Moores) didn't notice that WI took wickets in the morning session before the pitch and conditions changed. A decent captain would have been aware that on the morning of the second day there was a rain shower and taken advantage of the chance to give Jimmy the new ball first thing by declaring on 341.
Now they start day three and must wait until after lunch to get a new ball. Of course there's every chance that the WI batsmen will aid England by crap batting but Cook doesn't deserve that to happen.

Not sure any captain in the world would have declared at 341-5 at the start of the second day. In hindsight it may have been a good move, but although you should always be wary of an England collapse, you shouldn't necessarily have expected it in that situation.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby hopeforthebest » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:16 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:We have a conservative, scared rubbish captain who has no idea how to make good decisions. He and no doubt his mentor (Moores) didn't notice that WI took wickets in the morning session before the pitch and conditions changed. A decent captain would have been aware that on the morning of the second day there was a rain shower and taken advantage of the chance to give Jimmy the new ball first thing by declaring on 341.
Now they start day three and must wait until after lunch to get a new ball. Of course there's every chance that the WI batsmen will aid England by crap batting but Cook doesn't deserve that to happen.

Not sure any captain in the world would have declared at 341-5 at the start of the second day. In hindsight it may have been a good move, but although you should always be wary of an England collapse, you shouldn't necessarily have expected it in that situation.


It's not hindsight, if you look back on this thread you will find me saying why the on earth are England still batting. By doing so they gave the WI bowlers more wickets that our bowlers should have been taking. In all probability England would now have 10 WI wickets and be half way to winning instead of just 25% there.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby dan08 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:26 am

hopeforthebest wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:We have a conservative, scared rubbish captain who has no idea how to make good decisions. He and no doubt his mentor (Moores) didn't notice that WI took wickets in the morning session before the pitch and conditions changed. A decent captain would have been aware that on the morning of the second day there was a rain shower and taken advantage of the chance to give Jimmy the new ball first thing by declaring on 341.
Now they start day three and must wait until after lunch to get a new ball. Of course there's every chance that the WI batsmen will aid England by crap batting but Cook doesn't deserve that to happen.

Not sure any captain in the world would have declared at 341-5 at the start of the second day. In hindsight it may have been a good move, but although you should always be wary of an England collapse, you shouldn't necessarily have expected it in that situation.


It's not hindsight, if you look back on this thread you will find me saying why the on earth are England still batting. By doing so they gave the WI bowlers more wickets that our bowlers should have been taking. In all probability England would now have 10 WI wickets and be half way to winning instead of just 25% there.

We would also have a smaller lead.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Gingerfinch » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:28 am

I don't see us batting on as the wrong decision. Runs on the board in the first innings are worth their weight in gold.
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Re: First Test: West Indies v England, Antigua, April 13-17.

Postby Aidan11 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:47 am

The first session of the first two days is where it all seems to happen so England will need to get a few out early otherwise a draw looks likely.
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