First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby KipperJohn » Sat May 23, 2015 2:24 pm

The Waugh Twins wrote:An Aussie leading the English against Australia. Is this a first?


if he's considered the best for the job then that's how it is. It's rather sad for many of us if we have to have an Aussie coach, but it could be construed as discrimination if he were not chosen simply because of his nationality.

In any employment selection process you have to take account of the law.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat May 23, 2015 2:30 pm

Nationality should be considered as a factor in the process of selecting for a national sports team. I'd guess that would be an allowable discrimination. Same as gender bias is tolerable in picking the women's cricket team.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby The Waugh Twins » Sat May 23, 2015 2:32 pm

KipperJohn wrote:
The Waugh Twins wrote:An Aussie leading the English against Australia. Is this a first?


if he's considered the best for the job then that's how it is. It's rather sad for many of us if we have to have an Aussie coach, but it could be construed as discrimination if he were not chosen simply because of his nationality.

In any employment selection process you have to take account of the law.


Never mentioned anything about how good he was just asked the question is this a first?

So can an Aussie play for England without British citizenship?
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby meninblue » Sat May 23, 2015 2:34 pm

Kane has given NZL a platform which can be used to easily get in a winning position as one good partnership from here will take them to lead over 100. Allowed Big Mac and Taylor to play around him while he ensured he guided this innings to a lead.Well played.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby The Waugh Twins » Sat May 23, 2015 2:35 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Nationality should be considered as a factor in the process of selecting for a national sports team. I'd guess that would be an allowable discrimination. Same as gender bias is tolerable in picking the women's cricket team.


I've always felt that the coach should have to fit the same criteria as the players. I'm old school though, but I think citizenship should be required. I would not be able to watch Australia play with an English coach. I've still never gatten over Keppler Wessels, but I guess he did obtain citizenship.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sat May 23, 2015 2:36 pm

It feels a bit embarrassing (should he get the job). Given the rivalry.

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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby SaintPowelly » Sat May 23, 2015 2:43 pm

I think this rain delay might speed NZ up slightly, Can't see Corey wasting too many deliveries
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby The Waugh Twins » Sat May 23, 2015 2:44 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:It feels a bit embarrassing (should he get the job). Given the rivalry.

Back on in ten minutes.


It would be a great move by England and a brave move by Gillespie, but it won't sit well with me that's for sure. To see him standing up there in the first test will be strange regardless of the result.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby SaintPowelly » Sat May 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Extras has now overtaken Taylor and Latham, closing in on Guptill
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby The Waugh Twins » Sat May 23, 2015 2:53 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Extras has now overtaken Taylor and Latham, closing in on Guptill


Wow 62 extras, this is getting close to a record surely. I seem to remember a West Indies team bowling some 70 odd.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby Aidan11 » Sat May 23, 2015 3:01 pm

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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby The Waugh Twins » Sat May 23, 2015 3:02 pm

I believe 35 is the most leg byes, so only a couple more required. 76 seems to be the most extras in an innings according to what I googled.
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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

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Re: First Test: England v New Zealand, May 21-25.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sat May 23, 2015 3:12 pm

Best man for the job for me irrespective of nationality whatever the sport.

In fact I think a bit of southern hemisphere positivity, aggression and straight talking could work wonders with the general cautiousness and reserve of the English.

The records of recent coaches Flower and Fletcher against Lloyd and Moores suggest it is a good way to go.
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