The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby dan08 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:37 am

rich1uk wrote:siddle's performance in this test has for me been the perfect example of not making either/or selection decisions in isolation

australia's decision to replace Watson with marsh as the all-rounder left them without that seam bowler who could tie up an end for you and build pressure, the role that Watson did regularly for Clarke but marsh isn't that type of bowler

siddle here has given Clarke that option again and he has done it really well

Thing is who would Siddle have come in for? Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon have took wickets and it would have been a risk to drop Johnson.

Also, worth remembering that Siddle played all 4 tour games and only took 4 wickets.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby rich1uk » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:38 am

poor shot to get out to , the straight-ish drive is a shot he plays really well , looked like that might have just held up on him and he got under it
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:38 am

The end is nigh.

Sad way for England to end the series.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:39 am

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Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sid will be a candidate for POTM, but needs a couple more wickets to squeeze Smith out.

Rogers and Root for the series? Broad and Smith are alternatives.

Starc?


Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby rich1uk » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 am

dan08 wrote:
rich1uk wrote:siddle's performance in this test has for me been the perfect example of not making either/or selection decisions in isolation

australia's decision to replace Watson with marsh as the all-rounder left them without that seam bowler who could tie up an end for you and build pressure, the role that Watson did regularly for Clarke but marsh isn't that type of bowler

siddle here has given Clarke that option again and he has done it really well

Thing is who would Siddle have come in for? Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon have took wickets and it would have been a risk to drop Johnson.

Also, worth remembering that Siddle played all 4 tour games and only took 4 wickets.


hazlewood has taken wickets but hasn't really bowled very well imo

my point was more with regard to the issues being made before this game about it being a choice between siddle and cummins as well
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby dan08 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:43 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sid will be a candidate for POTM, but needs a couple more wickets to squeeze Smith out.

Rogers and Root for the series? Broad and Smith are alternatives.

Starc?


Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.

We all know Warne hates Starc.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby backfootpunch » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:44 am

I really hope they don't open with moeen in the UAE as there is very little chance he will do it for the forsee able future

I would drop bairstow or buttler, bat moeen 5 and use a proper opener

The next cab off the rank is hales I suppose, though I am unsure how he will fair in tests

We have to hope he does a warner
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:44 am

Maybe a bit like England dropping Finn in 2010-11. Top wicket taker, but felt to lack control.

Tough to be dropped after Adelaide and before Perth though.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby backfootpunch » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:45 am

dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Sid will be a candidate for POTM, but needs a couple more wickets to squeeze Smith out.

Rogers and Root for the series? Broad and Smith are alternatives.

Starc?


Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.

We all know Warne hates Starc.

Tbf Starc has sprayed it all over the place most of the time but taken wickets anyway

I wouldn't say he has bowled well at all, just one or two good spelks
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:47 am

dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.

We all know Warne hates Starc.


Missed that, but don't tend to listen to him.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby rich1uk » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:48 am

thought it was interesting as well that in the absence of both cook and Clarke from warne's team he picked root rather than smith as captain
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:50 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe a bit like England dropping Finn in 2010-11. Top wicket taker, but felt to lack control.

Tough to be dropped after Adelaide and before Perth though.


I thought Finn played in Perth and was replaced by Bresnan for Melbourne and Sydney.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:50 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.

We all know Warne hates Starc.


Missed that, but don't tend to listen to him.


He likes Anderson!?
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:52 am

hopeforthebest wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Maybe a bit like England dropping Finn in 2010-11. Top wicket taker, but felt to lack control.

Tough to be dropped after Adelaide and before Perth though.


I thought Finn played in Perth and was replaced by Bresnan for Melbourne and Sydney.


Of course, Tremlett was in because Broad went home after Brisbane.
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Re: The Ashes 5th Test. The Oval. August 20-24.

Postby dan08 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:55 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Starc isn't even in Warne's series XI.

We all know Warne hates Starc.


Missed that, but don't tend to listen to him.

Warne's been going on about it for ages. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7174131792 Pretty much every Test match he calls for Starc to be dropped.
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