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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:49 am

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Arthur Crabtree wrote:Surprised by how well Morgan has done this summer, but have to accept he's been pretty key.

Can't really be that surprised, he's been class for England at the shorter forms of the game for many years now.


In the two years leading to this summer, he averaged 25 against top eight sides at a SR of 81. Before that it was 40 at a SR of 91. He was arguably England's best ever ODI bat, but hadn'tbeen in that class for a long time. His leg side game had left him relatively shotless to sides who just slanted the ball across him. He still edges a lot of offstump balls through the slips. It took about fifty games for me to feel he definitively wasn't the player he was, so it takes more than a summer to flip flop on that conclusion. He's had little pockets of form over the generally poor two years. So we'll see. I thought he should have been moved on after the WC though.

I must admit I hadn't looked at his stats I was just going with my feeling for the way he has played for England over the years in the shorter form.

I have been a big fan of his from the start so have probably got on the Rose tinted specs. Really thought he had what it takes to make it at test match level as well but I guess that opportunity has well and truly passed him by.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:52 am

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budgetmeansbudget wrote:If you read Law 19 through it does not say anything about re establishing yourself in the field of play. In fact it illustrates pretty exactly what happened with the Maxwell catch yesterday therefore confirming it was legal.

Huh. Fancy that. Thanks.

No, I don't read the Cricket Laws. This is why I go onto online fora - to have my people read and interpret them for me.

I don't read them either as a rule but thought it might be interesting to see whether there was a definitive answer in this case.

Usually I'm not the best at deciphering legal jargon but what I found seem to be written in layman's language for a simpleton like me.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby KipperJohn » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:30 am

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
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budgetmeansbudget wrote:If you read Law 19 through it does not say anything about re establishing yourself in the field of play. In fact it illustrates pretty exactly what happened with the Maxwell catch yesterday therefore confirming it was legal.

Huh. Fancy that. Thanks.

No, I don't read the Cricket Laws. This is why I go onto online fora - to have my people read and interpret them for me.

I don't read them either as a rule but thought it might be interesting to see whether there was a definitive answer in this case.

Usually I'm not the best at deciphering legal jargon but what I found seem to be written in layman's language for a simpleton like me.


I've not read Law19 either. However, the key point is how laws are interpreted - that applies to every person who is charged with that responsibility - whether it be an umpire, referee, judge etc.

I'm not entirely convinced that umpires, especially as they are on a time frame, know every rule to the letter to enable them to make a correct judgement in all cases. That's probably humanly impossible - but they are no doubt well schooled in the fundamentals.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Making_Splinters » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:50 am

I think Morgan is probably benefiting the most of any player from the change of attitude towards ODI cricket. For much of his career he's been saddled behind a top order which could not keep up with the increasing run rates of modern ODI cricket then expected to perform magic to get England over the line. Yes a young team will not come off every time but they are unlikely to die wondering either.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby rich1uk » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:18 pm

"momentum" is quickly becoming one of my least favourite words in cricket

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34232799

how many times did we see momentum mean absolutely nothing during the rest of this year ?
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby sussexpob » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:18 pm

Just seen the Maxwell catch..... what an effort
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:20 am

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Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:20 am

England won the toss and will bat.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby hopeforthebest » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:27 am

Surprised Plunkett is the one to miss out, I would have thought Wood would be a more sensible option.
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Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:30 am

A wicket and a review already.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:30 am

He's hit it. Not out.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby rich1uk » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:31 am

hopeforthebest wrote:Surprised Plunkett is the one to miss out, I would have thought Wood would be a more sensible option.


I thought both plunkett and wood would have missed out

cant understand why finn isn't back when he was only meant to have been rested for the last game

plunkett was very expensive last couple of games and only really rescued his stats with late wickets in the first game we won after the game was over
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby rich1uk » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:33 am

roy survives after a review first over

why on earth is smith hassling the on field umpire after that is over-turned and walking away shaking his head when DRS has worked exactly as its meant to
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:33 am

rich1uk wrote:
hopeforthebest wrote:Surprised Plunkett is the one to miss out, I would have thought Wood would be a more sensible option.


I thought both plunkett and wood would have missed out

cant understand why finn isn't back when he was only meant to have been rested for the last game

plunkett was very expensive last couple of games and only really rescued his stats with late wickets in the first game we won after the game was over


With the series in the balance we should have played our strongest XI I feel. I don't like chopping and changing.
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Re: Aus v Eng ODI series

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:34 am

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