Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:05 am

sussexpob wrote:
yuppie wrote:This place is so quite when England are doing well :hmmm


Cook gone, everyone back in


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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:06 am

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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:27 am

Some investigation into the management of Taylor since he started for England A would be interesting. Why he's been continually successful for the Lions, and outscored the other batters who have been shuffled ahead of him in both formats, with a fca of nearly 50... but found it so hard to get a chance. Including being dropped after the WC from the ODI side.

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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:31 am

If Bell get a ton would it be:

A) be the the perfect opportunity to call a day on his dwindling returns with a moment of triumph. Or

B) be the perfect opportunity to launch a late career renaissance starting with the Tests in SA.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:35 am

A rebuilding job being done by two men under pressure. Could do with a 100 run lead, if possible.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby yuppie » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:35 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:If Bell get a ton would it be:

A) be the the perfect opportunity to call a day on his dwindling returns with a moment of triumph. Or

B) be the perfect opportunity to launch a late career renaissance starting with the Tests in SA.



Not sure who can replace Bell.

Not been great in UAE, but not been bad either. I presume that not retiring after the ashes would mean that he would be going to SA.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:41 am

His batting in this tour has looked hard work. He's stuck to it well but it's been a slog and he's looked scratchy. He appeared to carry on reluctantly after the Ashes. He'll be able to carry on if he wants, but it doesn't seem certain that he'll want to.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby yuppie » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:42 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:His batting in this tour has looked hard work. He's stuck to it well but it's been a slog and he's looked scratchy. He appeared to carry on reluctantly after the Ashes. He'll be able to carry on if he wants, but it doesn't seem certain that he'll want to.



Tough to carry on if your hearts not in it, specially against the SA quicks.

More of a problem for England will be who replaces Stokes
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:43 am

yuppie wrote:
Not sure who can replace Bell.


Given he averages 28 this year and 30 over the past two years, isn't it plausible that those sort of runs could be replaced?
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby backfootpunch » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:45 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:If Bell get a ton would it be:

A) be the the perfect opportunity to call a day on his dwindling returns with a moment of triumph. Or

B) be the perfect opportunity to launch a late career renaissance starting with the Tests in SA.


its pretty clear that they want bell in the team due to the inexperience of the rest of the batting line up

he has done enough on this tour to keep his place in the team

the lack of success of bairstow, moeen, buttler and stokes with the bat in recent times pretty much guarantees him a place in the side

moeen better hope that rashid doesnt score runs in this test or take 3 or 4 wickets in the second innings as his place in the side will start to come into question

he isnt scoring runs and is bowling worse now than when he first came in
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:46 am

yuppie wrote:More of a problem for England will be who replaces Stokes


6. Batter/keeper
7. Moeen
8. Broad
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:46 am

Good effort for England, three down at tea.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Gingerfinch » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:48 am

In South Africa, a batting order of Cook, Hales, Bell, Root, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow/Buttler, Rashid/Ali, looks good. I still think Bell can do a job, though he needs runs of course.
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:49 am

backfootpunch wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:If Bell get a ton would it be:

A) be the the perfect opportunity to call a day on his dwindling returns with a moment of triumph. Or

B) be the perfect opportunity to launch a late career renaissance starting with the Tests in SA.


its pretty clear that they want bell in the team due to the inexperience of the rest of the batting line up

he has done enough on this tour to keep his place in the team



I don't really rate experience over runs (and Root replaced Bell in the vc role, so England didn't promote Bell's experience there).
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Re: Pakistan v England 3rd Test, Sharjah, Nov 1-5

Postby hopeforthebest » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:53 am

Bell hasn't looked scratchy todaynor in his second innings at Dubai. Quite clearly after losing Cook and Root in double quick time and no Stokes someone has to try and play a long innings. It would appear for some he's damned iif he does and damned if he doesn't.
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