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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:17 am

sussexpob wrote:
365notout wrote:I think Watford are owed a huge amount of praise so far this season...but aren't really getting any.


Hard to praise a team that basically cheated their way to the Premiership using a complex international feeder club system that should have long been outlawed before they got there.

Its a clever business model. Buy unsuccessful team favourites to go down to Div 1 for nothing. Loan them 15 players from a current Champions League squad and watch them fly up the table. Keep on loaning them players until they get promoted, while simultaneously using them as a base for giving younger players game time. If the loan laws change, sign said players for no fee, as you own both clubs anyway. If project fails, player comes back for free. Chip in a few players from a third club in Spain that was bought before it went bankrupt just as a base to exploit lax work permit laws for the scouting system that covers all three sides, and you have a good launchpad for success.

In fact, this is a great business model to make money. I am surprised more owners of decent Champions League teams dont buy random Div 2 teams and loan them world class players until they hit the 100 million pay day of the Premier League. There is basically little risk. If it doesnt work you havent put money into the team because your other money generating side is paying the wages, you dont have to pay transfer fees, and you can have these players back for free if the project goes wrong. You can also use the lower team to generate cash for the players who turn good by increasing the game time you can give to your scouting network, which is known as one of the best in the world because three top tier clubs help fund it.

So yes..... we should be praising Watford for their great job, but shouldnt forget Udinese or Granada, who have been brilliant for them in the last few years too.


I thought overseas loan signings are no longer classed as transfers, due to how Watford supplemented their squad. I imagine once the homegrown rules take full effect combined with naming a 25 man squad, Watford's business model will have to change.

Charlton Athletic have a similar business model. Problem is European players are not used to playing 50+ game seasons and can get easily found out.

Chelsea's model of signing talented overseas players and loaning them out to European teams in order to gain experience, beat Financial Fair Play and the 25 man squad is just as bad.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby braveneutral » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:42 am

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dan08 wrote:Strong rumours that LVG could be sacked tonight.

Looks like a false alarm.

Pretty strong reports that it will happen very soon though.

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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:57 am

Alviro Patterson wrote: I thought overseas loan signings are no longer classed as transfers, due to how Watford supplemented their squad. I imagine once the homegrown rules take full effect combined with naming a 25 man squad, Watford's business model will have to change


The change in rules didnt make a difference. Rather then send people away on season long loans, they signed for Watford on a free transfer instead, so no money changed hands for those players. I think in the first year they had something like 17 or 18 players on loan (one signed permanent) from their feeder clubs, in the second year the ratio switched to about 12-14 players signed permanent and the maximum season long loans allowed. So they still got exactly the players they wanted, while Udinese's owner pumped in "investment" to pay for the wages. The homegrown rule wont change the past. They will make uber money and will always be a better, more competitive club for it. Especially now the disparity between finance between leagues increases.

Chelsea's model of signing talented overseas players and loaning them out to European teams in order to gain experience, beat Financial Fair Play and the 25 man squad is just as bad.


Completely different. They are not using their clout as Chelsea to directly benefit other teams in lower leagues that they maintain an interest in, they are simply trying to develop their own players using a time honoured tradition of loaning them out. The method requires huge investment, and the benefits to Chelsea are far less dubious
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby The Professor » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:37 pm

Ryan Mason back for Spurs this weekend. Missed him.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Aidan11 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:55 pm

LVG is one defeat away from the sack I reckon.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Aidan11 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:56 pm

I heard he was on Celebrity Mastermind.

He answered "Pass" to every question.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Red Devil » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:23 pm

Aidan11 wrote:LVG is one defeat away from the sack I reckon.


probably, might be gone soon even if we don't lose tbh
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby mikesiva » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:31 pm

Why is Memphis playing in defence? Down 1-0 already....
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Gingerfinch » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:40 pm

Defeat by Stoke could be the nail in the coffin, especially with Jose out of work.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby braveneutral » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:52 pm

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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby sussexpob » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:41 pm

Mourinho will get the job before new year
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby Aidan11 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:34 pm

Man U face Chelsea next. Probably too early for JM to face his former club.

LVG at the post-match interview looked shot. I think he may have accepted the inevitable.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby The Professor » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:04 pm

Despite the defeat today I still have a lot of time for Big Sam...really down to Earth. He's like the anti-Mourinho.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby braveneutral » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:07 am

An interesting alternative for United.
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Re: Premiership 2015/2016

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:30 am

Southampton were superb last night against Arsenal.

Not sure that drubbing is the best thing for us as we meet them Monday evening, backlash comes to mind!
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