Making_Splinters wrote: I wouldn't see a problem with describing the collapse as pathetic, to bottle it after the openers had, for once, done a decent job is simply not acceptable when you have a middle order of Stokes, Root and Bairstow. I rarely agree with, Sussex's ire towards Stokes, but his approach was frankly irresponsible and hugely disappointing from someone who had just the Test match before played a mature an match winning hand
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Typically annoying that Cook should criticise the spinners for the poor series. In my view, the top order batting was the very least of England's performance in the series.
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Wonder which county now holds the record. Maybe Essex.
365notout wrote:What do we make of Mehedi? Next big thing or flash in the pan?
365notout wrote:Little stat I have just picked up.
The last Test v Bangladesh was the first Test in 119 English Test matches to not include a Nottinghamshire player bought by Nottinghamshire.
sussexpob wrote:Bhaveshgor also asked me yesterday about Stokes ability against spin. It seems disputed that Stokes is either lousy against spin, or good against it.
From yesterday, I have a feeling that Stokes is perfectly comfortable with off spinners. Mehedi bowled well to him this series, but Stokes has simply hung on the back foot and punched with the spin into the off side. When against Shakib, Stokes has looked far more uncomfortable, and rather than hang on the back foot, we have seen far more paniced attempts to get down the pitch and smother (unconvincingly), or a tendancy to leave the feet planted and attempt to reach for the ball.
I have a feeling Stokes is completely lost with leg/left arm orthodox spin, because his leg side game playing with the spin is far less convincing. A few times I have noticed as the spinner drifts into his pads, he has failed to flick it low risk into the leg side and pick up singles. In fact, he's missed out a few boundaries in this series with rank leg side balls Cook would smoke.
If you look at his test history.... his hundreds....
The Lords test vs NZ..... faced most of innings to an off spinner.
South Africa 200..... Dane Piedt, off spinner
Perth.... Lyon- off spinner who bowled a lot to him that innings.
Compare this to the leg spinners he faced
Bishoo... one game, got him out
Benn... one game, got him out
BD's two left arm spinners..... accounted for all of his dismissals in the series despite Mehedi taking nearly half of the England wickets in the series.
Yasir Shah... only time he bowled to him, he got him out early for 12
Kane Williamson ... one of Williamsons six wickets in the last 4 test years, Stokes lasted all but 4 balls
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