2nd Test: India v England at Visakhapatnam on Nov 17-21,

[Dr Cricket]

I wish people would stop moaning about DRS. It has its flaws but for me has been a welcome addition to the game in recent years just for the sheer cutting back of rank bad umpiring decisions which have all too often effected the result of games.

We should all just accept it and get on with it, and stop trying to tweak it every five minutes. Its not weighted in favour of any team and it seems to be working well for the most part.

Embrace its beauty!

I think there is a fair argument that impact shouldn't have umpires call as it isn't predicted.

I'm not sure what you mean?

The umpire has to make a decision whether the ball struck the pad in line with the stumps or not.

basically saying it is either on line of the stumps or not and doesn't have the same margin of error since it isn't a prediction but where the ball actually hit the pads, basically uses the same way of how tennis does line calls and they don't have any umpire calls on it since it isn't needed with it not being a prediction.

[budgetmeansbudget]

I wish people would stop moaning about DRS. It has its flaws but for me has been a welcome addition to the game in recent years just for the sheer cutting back of rank bad umpiring decisions which have all too often effected the result of games.

We should all just accept it and get on with it, and stop trying to tweak it every five minutes. Its not weighted in favour of any team and it seems to be working well for the most part.

Embrace its beauty!

I think there is a fair argument that impact shouldn't have umpires call as it isn't predicted.

I'm not sure what you mean?

The umpire has to make a decision whether the ball struck the pad in line with the stumps or not.

basically saying it is either on line of the stumps or not and doesn't have the same margin of error since it isn't a prediction but where the ball actually hit the pads.

Sorry, I get you, ball doesn't hit the stumps but hits the pad.

I guess its allowing the umpire a small margin of error, and trying to keep the umpire in the decision making process overall.

[Durhamfootman]

England have done better than I thought. It feels like a very long time since they last applied themselves to the task of batting out for a draw. They may still collapse in the morning, as is their want, but at least it looks like they've made a decent enough start for a change. Pity about Cook falling in the final over of the day

[Dr Cricket]

TBH all you can ask for from a team is to fight and not surrender easily.

[Dr Cricket]

Key idea sounds good actually one review per team and umpire call reviews are given back.

[budgetmeansbudget]

100 for 0 against Bangladesh.............!

[budgetmeansbudget]

Key idea sounds good actually one review per team and umpire call reviews are given back.

That's what I'm talking about, continually trying to tweak it. Leave it alone, it works fine.

[meninblue]

Well done. 8 wickets needed in 3 sessions.

[Dr Cricket]

Key idea sounds good actually one review per team and umpire call reviews are given back.

That's what I'm talking about, continually trying to tweak it. Leave it alone, it works fine.

not sure it does really since DRS isn't uniform, technology not the same, DRS in bangladesh was crap, prediction were awful and they were using the cheapest cameras possible.
DRS going to change soon anyway when ICC looks at how DRS will be funded so they might as well change the way DRS works while that is going on.
Last time I read Broadcasters won't be paying for DRS and might put an ultimatum with ICC or the cricket boards soon that unless you pay it we won't be using it for DRS purposes.
So that issue still needs to be worked out with ICC not even having the funds to afford DRS in all series, only 3 boards would even bother paying for it the rest might not be so keen on it if they paying for it.
Sponsor might pay for it but that would only cover some or half of it and the rest will have to come from somewhere.

At the moment DRS only really works fine in England, Australia and when they use high quality cameras, DRS been pretty bad in Sri lanka, pakistan, SA and WI when they use the cheapest cameras.

[Durhamfootman]

Key idea sounds good actually one review per team and umpire call reviews are given back.

disagree.

the point of DRS is to overturn the howler. Anything that isn't a howler, the reviewing team shouldn't be reviewing for... that's just trying to use the system to try and sneak out some sort of advantage for themselves

how many times do we hear commentators question whether a team would have reviewed if it wasn't the captain/talisman/in form chap? or say that a batsman might as well review it because he's the last hope for a team or whatever spurious reason that they can think of?

If the review is not taken because a team feels the umpire has made a clear and obvious mistake, then they are just using the system to 'take a punt' and deserve to lose the review however close the result was to being out/in/whatever.

the guiding question for lodging an appeal should be "has the umpire made an obvious error?".... nothing else.... if he hasn't then we can just get with the game and stop faffing about

too much faffing about these days

[budgetmeansbudget]

Key idea sounds good actually one review per team and umpire call reviews are given back.

That's what I'm talking about, continually trying to tweak it. Leave it alone, it works fine.

not sure it does really since DRS isn't uniform, technology not the same, DRS in bangladesh was crap, prediction were awful and they were using the cheapest cameras possible.
DRS going to change soon anyway when ICC looks at how DRS will be funded so they might as well change the way DRS works while that is going on.
Last time I read Broadcasters won't be paying for DRS and might put an ultimatum with ICC or the cricket boards soon that unless you pay it we won't be using it for DRS purposes.
So that issue still needs to be worked out with ICC not even having the funds to afford DRS in all series, only 3 boards would even bother paying for it the rest might not be so keen on it if they paying for it.
Sponsor might pay for it but that would only cover some or half of it and the rest will have to come from somewhere.

At the moment DRS only really works fine in England, Australia and when they use high quality cameras, DRS been pretty bad in Sri lanka, pakistan, SA and WI when they use the cheapest cameras.

Well maybe you can question the quality of the technology in certain countries, but I'm talking about the processes involved in the decision making process, which are fine, and we are used to.

[Dr Cricket]

Not really scientific but think you can pick out at least 5-6 weird hawkeye prediction in the bangladesh series and often similar numbers are found with the cheaper cameras.
whereas hardly dodgy predictions are given in Australia or England when the expensive cameras are used.
massive difference in accuracy when a 60 frame cameras are used to when the 390 or whatever number the high frame cameras are.
for me at the moment this is a massive problem with DRS, suppose they can keep the actual way DRS works the same since I doubt that make any difference to the number of correct decision and it does work like you say budget but the way DRS is funded and what technology is used need to change.
let see if ICC can walk the talk now since they always used BCCI objection as an excuse for not fixing the funding and uniform technology.

[alfie]

Lol can't believe some england fans are still blaming the toss and Pitch when the games reaching day 5 lol.

You aren't seriously suggesting the toss didn't have a significant effect on this game , surely ? That if England had batted first they would still be in this struggle to play out five sessions for a draw ?

I am not complaining about it , by the way - the luck of the toss is part of the game. And India took full advantage of it by playing enterprising cricket on day one...they will deserve their win.

But please don't try to tell me the toss wasn't a big factor in this match !

[meninblue]

I think Team India should try to win it by a big margin and gain psychological advantage. Will also help setting declarations more confidently in remaining matches.

[Dr Cricket]

Toss got an advantage yes but not the massive reason why england loss the game.
India would still win games if they loss a toss in this pitch which is a fact considering india won 4 games against Australia losing the toss and england even won 2 test in 2012 losing the toss.