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Re: Black football managers

Postby rich1uk » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:40 am

mikesiva wrote:As interim manager at QPR, Chris Ramsay is the only black manager in the Premier League...of course, that probably won't last long.


the fact they have Les Ferdinand as director of football obviously means that they wouldn't appoint a black manager on racial grounds wouldn't it mike

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Re: Black football managers

Postby Aidan11 » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:15 pm

I found it odd they gave Ferdinand the Director of Football job.

'Arry seemed to think he'd be his automatic replacement albeit temporary.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby sussexpob » Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:17 pm

mikesiva wrote:As interim manager at QPR, Chris Ramsay is the only black manager in the Premier League...of course, that probably won't last long.



Ramsey used his first press conference to talk about Sherwood being perfect for the job, and that he would be happy to work under him again after he gave him a chance to coach at Tottenham......

Not really words that suggest Ramsey wants the job full time. In fact, he doesnt even have the job by the sounds, Ferdinand himself was present at training and was said to have helped pick the team, and Kevin Bond was also involved.... it seems a bit of a three way effort.

Maybe Ramsey is too clever to jump at the chance of managing a relegation bound team with cripplilng financial fair play difficulties that would hit if they go down. Its a career killer that, Sherwood himself would do better than to walk away from that opportunity.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby mikesiva » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:21 pm

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mikesiva wrote:As interim manager at QPR, Chris Ramsay is the only black manager in the Premier League...of course, that probably won't last long.


the fact they have Les Ferdinand as director of football obviously means that they wouldn't appoint a black manager on racial grounds wouldn't it mike

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I'm entitled to be sceptical...how many black managers are there in the Premiership?
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Re: Black football managers

Postby sussexpob » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:51 pm

I'm entitled to be sceptical


As are other people, and so far all I see is a non-white chairman, who owns the club with another non-white person, who has a director that is non-white, who oversees a director of football that is non-white, picked a black man over a white man despite the latter having management experience in the English football league, and the other not.........

Someone needs to look into racism against White managers, because this is clearly racist!!!

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Re: Black football managers

Postby SaintPowelly » Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:57 pm

Chris Ramsay got the job after "impressing Tony Fernandes" :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

After Sherwood and Laudrup ruled themselves out, and no-one else wanted a relegation on their CV.

Chris Ramsay wasn't the best qualified, he is the one person with nothing to lose that is willing to do the job.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby sussexpob » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:39 am

To be fair to Ramsey, I dont think Fernandes' words of support would fill anyone with confidence. He basically said not long before he was appointed that the perfect candidate had been found, then backtracked and hired another bloke on the basis that the perfect guy wasnt available till the end of the season ie until the perfect guy knew he was joining a Premiership team.

Get them relegated, and he hasnt been given a window sign a few players and put his own mark on a team, but takes his future opportunities in management away...... keep them up, and it sounds like a replacement is already lined up for next year
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Re: Black football managers

Postby mikesiva » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:36 pm

A piece of black football history....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Collins_(footballer)

"Anthony Norman Collins (born 19 March 1926) is an English football player, manager and scout, who played as a left winger. He managed Rochdale between 1960 and 1967, becoming the first black manager in The Football League and leading them to the 1962 Football League Cup Final, their only major final appearance. Collins played professionally for Sheffield Wednesday, York City, Watford (in two spells), Norwich City, Torquay United and Crystal Palace (where he was the club's first black player), before ending his playing career at Rochdale. Apart from a spell as assistant manager (and briefly caretaker manager) at Bristol City, he latterly worked mainly in scouting for a number of clubs, including Leeds United and Manchester United, as well as for the England national team."

Sadly, British football has not advanced much since the days of Tony Collins at Rochdale...there are only three black managers in 90-odd clubs in the English league system.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby mikesiva » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:19 am

'Michael Johnson says a Rooney Rule in football will allow black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) coaches to demonstrate their talent. Despite BAME footballers constituting almost 30 per cent of players, there remains just a handful of non-white managers across the 92 league clubs...."We're not saying anybody because you're black or because you're Asian should get a job," Johnson told Sky Sports News. "No, absolutely not. What we are saying is that it would be great just to get an opportunity to be in the interview room and just be part of that interview process. Just let somebody look at you and see what you're all about. At the minute, there are not enough black or Asian coaches getting through the door to be allowed to showcase their skills. The Rooney Rule would be a remedy." Released on Thursday, the findings from the fourth annual review of the Sports People's Think Tank - of which Johnson is a co-founder - concluded only 22 out of 482 senior coaching positions at professional clubs are held by coaches from BAME backgrounds. Nine of those (41 per cent) are employed at just four clubs - Brighton, Crystal Palace, Reading, and Queens Park Rangers.'

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Re: Black football managers

Postby Alviro Patterson » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:27 am

A Rooney rule would be pure tokenism when there are many white English managers with a wealth of experience who are not in professional management, that is how tough getting a managerial job in the modern game is. For example it has taken Nigel Adkins 18 months to get back into football management, Alan Pardew 11 months.

To get an interview based on the colour of one's skin instead of proven experience is discrimination at the very least.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby mikesiva » Tue May 08, 2018 9:22 am

Darren Moore won more points in eight games than Alan pardew in 18.

West Bromwich might have been safe if they had appointed him earlier.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue May 08, 2018 10:50 am

mikesiva wrote:Darren Moore won more points in eight games than Alan pardew in 18.

West Bromwich might have been safe if they had appointed him earlier.


They probably would have been safe but Pardew’s appointment did at the time look a good one.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby mikesiva » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:59 am

Ultimately, though, I hope Campbell makes a decent fist of it, bearing in mind we are coming up for 2019 and, rather pathetically, I find myself encouraged by the fact there are now eight BAME managers in the game. Eighteen months ago the figure was two – so small steps, and all that. But how absurd is it that eight out of 92 can feel like a minor breakthrough?

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Re: Black football managers

Postby sussexpob » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:09 pm

mikesiva wrote:Ultimately, though, I hope Campbell makes a decent fist of it, bearing in mind we are coming up for 2019 and, rather pathetically, I find myself encouraged by the fact there are now eight BAME managers in the game. Eighteen months ago the figure was two – so small steps, and all that. But how absurd is it that eight out of 92 can feel like a minor breakthrough


Campbell is well known for being quite arrogant. Even in his presser here, he claimed he was one of the best footballers in the world, or words to that affect. Some might think that this will be terminal to his case, but I guess arrogance and a bit of a rough personality never really crippled Mournino or Ferguson. Ok, so his personality and lack of self-awareness might be terrible for management, but it could also be very helpful in some respects. I guess he will live and die on results and his footballing intuition.

He's taken a very tough job. One where failure is very much likely. You hope for his sake he gets a second stab at it, if this goes all wrong. And that seems likely. Its coming up to Christmas and I think they have less than 10 points. They need playoff form from nowhere to make the 40 plus mark.... thats not going to happen overnight unless he is the messiah.
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Re: Black football managers

Postby Alviro Patterson » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:06 am

Good players don't necessarily make good managers.

The question is, what knowledge base does Sol Campbell have of lower league and national league football? Has he done any scouting of those clubs post playing career? Because lower/non league football is more who you know than what you know when it comes to achieving success.
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