Adi wrote:Is that because Footbal is now number 1 sport in your country ? that the Cricket loss and horrible batting averages of specialist batters are getting ignored. I can't imagine what Indian cricketers with average of 23, 27 and 33 will have to go through if he is selected even in squad, lest the playing 11.
sussexpob wrote:Adi wrote:Is that because Footbal is now number 1 sport in your country ? that the Cricket loss and horrible batting averages of specialist batters are getting ignored. I can't imagine what Indian cricketers with average of 23, 27 and 33 will have to go through if he is selected even in squad, lest the playing 11.
The whole England setup is about justifying its large salary's than making honest and tough decisions. At some point, Ali was picked left field to bowl spin and that decision is still trying to be justified as he trotts out every game, while Leech is overcoming all kinds of obstacles, but climbs a mountain to find another one staring at his face.
Flower made a decision that Leech wasnt good enough. So we now have to wait 2-4 years for there to be a soft cover up of that decision, and for it to be presented not as a failure of Flower's eye, but for Flower to be responsibile for all his positive maturity in the game. So with every passing county season, Lions tour etc, Flower will throw a soundbite about Leech "really improving", when his county average is steady. Once enough water is under the bridge the decision will be reversed and repacked as a Flower masterstroke. Flower created him in his lab. And while that process is going on, England will pick an inferior spinner to save face. Thats what its become.
Most probably, Leech will get picked after Crane has another 10 caps to fail. Then the accompanying narrative of Mason "not really being capable of learning those lessons he was taught" will be leaked to the press, and Leech will get a chance.
And so it goes.....
Remember when Hameed had every England fan talking about him like they were witnessing a 16 year old Sachin? For all the development speeches we get from Herr Director, about player pathways etc, I wonder what part says pick a teenager, let him go to the toughest away tour to the planet and average 40 while showing mental application in a disaster series, then never pick him again after he fails in a few county games.
England are like a cancer patient that reject chemotherapy, and instead double down on heavy drinking and 40 a day smoking habit.
Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed didn’t fail in a few county games, he failed for an entire season and for the Lions. I don’t quite see how a player who can’t buy a run against any attack should suddenly come good again at Test Level. As a Lancastrian it was somewhat puzzling how he didn’t get dropped last season.
Adi wrote:Is that because Footbal is now number 1 sport in your country ? that the Cricket loss and horrible batting averages of specialist batters are getting ignored.
I can't imagine what Indian cricketers with average of 23, 27 and 33 will have to go through if he is selected even in squad, lest the playing 11.
Alviro Patterson wrote:Adi wrote:Is that because Footbal is now number 1 sport in your country ? that the Cricket loss and horrible batting averages of specialist batters are getting ignored.
I can't imagine what Indian cricketers with average of 23, 27 and 33 will have to go through if he is selected even in squad, lest the playing 11.
Football was always the national sport in England
Problem is there are lack of English qualified players performing well in County Cricket. Next in line is probably Livingstone and Gubbins, afterwards it becomes worrying unless if other players step up.
The irony of selecting Hameed is Bayliss wanting an England top 3 to be more aggressive in their stroke play, particularly when Compton got dropped despite a respectable performances in South Africa.
Domestic batsmen get little opportunity to play red ball cricket in July and August when the weather is at it's most reliable, pitches have firmed up and become more conducive to spin. Batsmen getting chance to either bat big or bat out a draw rarely exists.
bigfluffylemon wrote:Word is that Leach is likely to come in for Moeen at the very least. That needed to happen.
sussexpob wrote:Making_Splinters wrote:Hameed didn’t fail in a few county games, he failed for an entire season and for the Lions. I don’t quite see how a player who can’t buy a run against any attack should suddenly come good again at Test Level. As a Lancastrian it was somewhat puzzling how he didn’t get dropped last season.
How many matches did he play between the squad being selected for the south Africa games and leaving India?
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
bigfluffylemon wrote:Word is that Leach is likely to come in for Moeen at the very least. That needed to happen.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Adi wrote:
The second point you made about not enough chance to bat long : Last year similar voices were raised by Pakistani domestic players. Many pak international current and ex players also felt they do not have long term batsman for 400 ball innings is that the Quaid -E-Azam (will refer to QEA henceforth because its long). There the groundsmen get only 2 days to prepare a wicket. But naturally wickets were falling very easily last year in QEA. Batsmen started raising voices. The Pak management said they had to cram the domestic trophy for various reasons. Actually the current Pak administrator are the best which they had in previous tenures. Najam Sethi is much better than Taquir Zia, nasim Ashraf, Shahryar Khan , Ijaz Butt and Zaka Ashraf.
But say if Pak and England domestic format have roads will it start to produce Cook, Amla, Clarke, Rahul, Sachin, Chet, Virat etc. How will they fare on other wickets then which help even little bit of swing. Will they then start producing bad bowlers because bowlers will not get help. So how true is the thought that lack of flat wickets is not helping to develop marathon innings batsmen. I wonder.
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