Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

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Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:15 pm

From Christchurch. Start time 23.00 BST.

Astle out for NZ, Sodhi called into the squad.

NZ have only ever beaten ENgland one in a series at home, in '83-4.

The teams:

Wright/Edgar/Howarth/M.Crowe/J.Crowe/Coney/Smith/R.Hadlee/L.Cairns/Boock/Chatfield.

C.Smith/Fowler/Randall/Gower/Lamb/Botham/Marks/Taylor/Foster/Cowans/Willis
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Durhamfootman » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:39 pm

is there another one?

I seem to remember saying the exact same thing that last time England played tests in NZ

perhaps it was just a bad dream?
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:38 am

Woakes and Moeen both confirmed as dropped, but the squad includes Vince, Leach and Wood. Livingstone misses out :no

Final XI to be named tomorrow.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:01 am

Before the first Test the I read that it was possible that two spinners might play in the second. So that makes it less likely they will go with none. This is the cricinfo team below, with a query over the spinner though.

NZ confirmed with Sodhi in for Astle.

1 Alastair Cook, 2 Mark Stoneman, 3 James Vince, 4 Joe Root, 5 Dawid Malan, 6 Ben Stokes, 7 Jonny Bairstow (wk), 8 Craig Overton/Jack Leach, 9 Mark Wood, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 James Anderson

Vince is clearly going to play otherwise Overton would be at seven.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:17 am

The Hagley Oval has only staged four Tests. Boult has 22 wickets and Southee twenty. And Waggy has 17. In 2/4 Tests NZ went in with all pace attacks. Among spinners only Shakib-al-Hasan (4) and Nathan Lyon (3) have more than two wickets in an innings. Yasir Shah has a 0-fer there. It's really been seem all the way. I was misinformed. Though six of BD's ten wickets were from spin.

For Kiwi spinners, Todd Astle played a Test in Christchurch and took 0-134. Mark Craig 1-88. Captain Kane has a wicket but may have thrown it.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby backfootpunch » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:38 am

Much rather have woakes in the team than Overton
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby KipperJohn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:58 pm

backfootpunch wrote:Much rather have woakes in the team than Overton


So after scoring 58 they drop a spinner and a seamer, both of whom have excellent records for scoring runs at 7 and 8.

About time they took a sword to our top order instead!

The time they scored 51 in the WIndies they dropped Bell who came back a much stronger and better player.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby Slipstream » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:36 pm

It would have been a good time to try Livingstone instead of going back to Vince but Thorpe thinks Vince has improved, with his coaching :scared Root wants his old spot back and old roommate.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:17 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Before the first Test the I read that it was possible that two spinners might play in the second. So that makes it less likely they will go with none. This is the cricinfo team below, with a query over the spinner though.

NZ confirmed with Sodhi in for Astle.

1 Alastair Cook, 2 Mark Stoneman, 3 James Vince, 4 Joe Root, 5 Dawid Malan, 6 Ben Stokes, 7 Jonny Bairstow (wk), 8 Craig Overton/Jack Leach, 9 Mark Wood, 10 Stuart Broad, 11 James Anderson

Vince is clearly going to play otherwise Overton would be at seven.


According to cricinfo Leach will debut, so no Overton.

A long tail, but to be honest I think too much is made of tail-end batting. If your top 7 can't get the job done (which for England they often can't), an extra 30 or 40 from 8-10 won't count for much if the bowlers can't actually take wickets in response.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby bigfluffylemon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:35 pm

New Zealand win the toss and have put England in. Hoping to take advantage of the frailty in England's batting and the scars from 58 all out, plus the early start - dew and a tinge of green. That said, the weather forecast is good, so if England can make it through the morning without too much damage (ha!), they could take advantage.

Wood, Leach and Vince confirmed for Woakes, Moeen and Overton. Sodhi to replace Astle for the Kiwis.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby sussexpob » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:46 pm

England just dropped a player who scored 60% of their runs in the first innings of the last test.

With Ben Stokes apparently still "day by day" as to whether or not he can bowl, and having forgot the last time Wood bowled more than an handful of overs, it looks a fairly unbalanced team.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby sussexpob » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:07 pm

2 overs gone, could have already lost three wickets.
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby backfootpunch » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:10 pm

How to make a half volley that swings a little look like ball of the century
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby sussexpob » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:11 pm

Stoneman got lucky he wasnt bowled, Cook not so lucky.....

Id take 120 right now haha
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Re: Second Test: New Zealand v England. March 30-April 3

Postby backfootpunch » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:11 pm

Don't worry though Vince is in

With his top class average of 22
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