Durhamfootman wrote:I firmly believe that his comment about nobody at home putting their hand up has Flower written all over it
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Durhamfootman wrote:I firmly believe that his comment about nobody at home putting their hand up has Flower written all over it
No wonder Gilo didn't fancy re-entering the bubble!
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
sussexpob wrote:So the Lions matter now? Didnt Livingstone score 120 odd in a Lions game vs South Africa in summer?
Didnt Livingstone score 90 odd in the tour game before this series? A feat that got him dropped for the second game......
England have ignored Lions performances for an age, Vince had a disaster trip to UAE as well as Ball, and both got the test go ahead the following summer despite being the worst two players. Make it irrelevant, then complain people arent taking it seriously enough?
Knowing Flower, the players had stayed up till 5am in the morning revising for his test on particle physics, and were too tired to bat.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
m@tt wrote:Livingstone got an international debut, albeit in a T20, following that 120 against South Africa, and made the New Zealand tour. He may not have played (and I do think he should have played over Vince), despite the warm-up score, but it's hardly like they've been ignoring him
m@tt wrote: The Lions has always mattered. Pretty much every new cap has progressed through the Lions to the senior team. And many of them have been watched from age group cricket onwards. It's more an argument over what is prioritised once you're in the Lions set up. It's not just a case of score a century and you get a promotion. There's supposedly long-term thinking behind it all. And they look at other stuff, temperament and toughness and all of that - which from another perspective is 'if your face fits...' and each person will have their own opinion on where it goes on the BS scale......So there's definitely this big pathway in place
ianp1970 wrote:With Ali and Woakes having both been dropped, only 3 ODI players remain in the test team - Root, Stokes & Bairstow. Combined with the relatively relaxed winter 2018/19 schedule, there shouldn't be many complaints of burnout or fatigue come CWC 2019!
sussexpob wrote:m@tt wrote:Livingstone got an international debut, albeit in a T20, following that 120 against South Africa, and made the New Zealand tour. He may not have played (and I do think he should have played over Vince), despite the warm-up score, but it's hardly like they've been ignoring him
Livingstone went to SL with the Lions last year..... he scored something like 60, 100 and another unbeaten 100 in two games. He came back and hit a 130 odd in the first Lions opportunity he had in the summer of 2017. He didnt feature in the 4 day game, and was instead put into the T20 team to fail, because he isnt a T20 cricketer. He didnt excel in the two games in the WI, but came back and hit 90 for England in the warm up game.
How the national team coach can say there is no one there? 3 hundreds in as many matches and is overlooked. Comes back to form.... and they pick a guy who averages 22 in a lot of games over him.
If the Lions means something, then the coach wouldnt be saying that, and Livingstone would be a test cap.
Foakes averaged 70 this year for the Lions too.
Andy Flower wrote:This is going to test my coaching expertise. This is the worst case I've ever seen.
Durhamfootman wrote:ianp1970 wrote:With Ali and Woakes having both been dropped, only 3 ODI players remain in the test team - Root, Stokes & Bairstow. Combined with the relatively relaxed winter 2018/19 schedule, there shouldn't be many complaints of burnout or fatigue come CWC 2019!
I think Ali will be back in the test side quite quickly. He has had a fair bit of success in home conditions, so as long as he makes a decent start to the season with Worcs, and there's no reason why he shouldn't (apart from winter tiredness), he could be back at 8 at some stage, and perhaps even in time for the first test against Pakistan. Moeen at 8 solves a lot of problems for the England selectors, I think.
Of course that doesn't help England for the next winter tour, but England don't think that far ahead, as far as I can tell
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