Arthur Crabtree wrote:England have four pace bowlers and one spinner. At least they could pick their best spinner, irrespective of other factors. Leach isn't the new Monty with the bat.
sussexpob wrote:If Moeen hits county cricket and scores bags of runs, then its possible he can come back as a batsman in the top 6, and a part time secondary spin option.
I think its pretty clear though that his career as our main spin threat is over. Hopefully Leach gets a good amount of time in the team to prove himself
alfie wrote: I don't see Moeen as a top six bat. Not if they want to improve the - all too fragile - batting. Seven or eight - good. Higher than that ...is he really better than Vince or Malan ?
sussexpob wrote:alfie wrote: I don't see Moeen as a top six bat. Not if they want to improve the - all too fragile - batting. Seven or eight - good. Higher than that ...is he really better than Vince or Malan ?
Id have to guess that Moeen has a better FC record than Stokes, Stoneman, Vince and Malan. Considering the fact he has played in every single batting position in the top 9, and has never been given a role, often coming in at the end with the tail (and our tail has done nothing recently), the fact he has scored nearly 20 x 50s and 5 x 100s I think is a pretty damn good return. Not sure what any batsman can accomplish coming in at that low. Had he, like Stokes, been almost exclusively played in one position in the top 6, you might find he actually has something.
Just a point to underline how difficult it is to score..... Stokes has come in below 7 in tests 5 times...... he averages 2, with 80% of his innings being ducks.
Making_Splinters wrote:Ali would have to score very heavily at the start of the season, combined with none of the other options doing similar, for there to be any reason to be considering him at the start of the season.
I've in the past said that he could be batting higher up the order and has the talent to do so, but, if we're going to drop a player then they need to go away and earn their spot back.
bigfluffylemon wrote:Moeen does have a better FC batting record than Stokes, although a fair proportion of his time has been spent in division 2. And Stokes has a better conversion rate. But you're right, Moeen is (or was) primarily a top order bat - I think he was usually number 3 for Worcestershire.
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