The Professor wrote:Sounds a very Brexit-y statement but...on a day dominated by South Africans performing admirably in the One Day Cup; are there too many or do they add to the rich variety of the game?
The Professor wrote:Sounds a very Brexit-y statement but...on a day dominated by South Africans performing admirably in the One Day Cup; are there too many or do they add to the rich variety of the game?
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Kolpacks and overseas are fine if they bring the standard up, because it creates a more competitive league for young England players to develop in. But if it merely extends mediocrity, then it isn't all that helpful. Getting Morkel into the CC has to be a good thing I think.
I presume the Kolpack will be gone once the UK leaves the EU. Wasn't that why there was a glut of such signings last summer?
westoelad wrote:Arthur Crabtree wrote:Kolpacks and overseas are fine if they bring the standard up, because it creates a more competitive league for young England players to develop in. But if it merely extends mediocrity, then it isn't all that helpful. Getting Morkel into the CC has to be a good thing I think.
I presume the Kolpack will be gone once the UK leaves the EU. Wasn't that why there was a glut of such signings last summer?
A modified Kolpack could still apply to permit players from countries which have trade agreements with the UK. UK will hopefully have new trade agreements with S.Africa and Caribbean countries which is where the majority of the better Kolpacks come from.Irish players are now technically overseas.
Nothing wrong with the balance of the two finalists yesterday but I don't think that was the norm team for Hants this season. Must admit that I got far more satisfaction from Durham's Academy developed champions of 2013 than the 2008 champions containing several "passports of convenience" .
westoelad wrote:St.B Fact is 70% of CC wickets Hants took last season were by non -English players i.e. Abbott,Berg,Edwards,Wheal,Holland and Ervine. That's got to be impeding the development of English born bowlers which is the thread topic. As far as I can recall the only players Hampshire have developed for England are Dawson, Vince and Crane all of whom have been quickly found lacking. If they wish to go down the costly ready made route ,all well and good until the entrepreneur gets sick and deserts you.Developing your own is the only successful long term policy.
st_brendy wrote:westoelad wrote:St.B Fact is 70% of CC wickets Hants took last season were by non -English players i.e. Abbott,Berg,Edwards,Wheal,Holland and Ervine. That's got to be impeding the development of English born bowlers which is the thread topic. As far as I can recall the only players Hampshire have developed for England are Dawson, Vince and Crane all of whom have been quickly found lacking. If they wish to go down the costly ready made route ,all well and good until the entrepreneur gets sick and deserts you.Developing your own is the only successful long term policy.
I don't recall ever arguing against that.
But cricket is three formats, not one. (And, for that matter, cricket is also about scoring runs not just taking wickets)
You said yesterday wasn't a normal team for us. I disputed that. It was a one-day match, and that was a normal one-day team for us. If you want to have a go at our four day team, then fine. But don't use yesterday to do that. There was nothing abnormal about us yesterday, and seven academy-grown players were selected.
(Alsop, Weatherley, Taylor and McManus have all played for the England U19s in recent years I believe - indeed, I believe the first three all captained the team at various points. Not that I particularly mind either way. As I've already said, it's all about quality of player for me, rather than age, birth place or nationality.)
sussexpob wrote:
County cricket is also dying. People might differ, but what motivates people to spend a day and their money at a county game? Is it seeing 4 20 year old prospects barely up to standard in a dross standard game, or is it seeing Morkel and Abbott charging in? I think there is absolutely no doubt in my mind one of the major issues with English cricket dying on its arse is the fact that we no longer see enough imports in the game to attract crowds in. I remember years ago going to watch a struggling Glamorgan team play Sussex, and they had Waqar Younis charging in bowling 95mph and swinging it on a hoop. Whens the last time a world best player has played in county cricket? We abandoned that culture and made it toxic for these types of players.
Id remove all restrictions and allow counties to sign as many overseas players as they can afford. In fact, Id go further....id invite foreign boards to send younger prospects or inexperienced test players to teams on a reciprocal basis. Get players playing in English conditions and visa versa. Get interesting young quality future test players in the mix here.
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