WI tour of England, July 8-28

[alfie]

Kraigg out for 65. Unlucky!

A little unlucky , yes. Ball didn't get up as much as you'd expect from that length. I thought it looked out , live , but no one would have complained if it wasn't given.

A very useful innings for his team after a rather shaky start

Chase to face a tricky short spell before lunch ... England would love another one now ! Think I'd use Anderson but imagine they will stick with Wood...

[Red Devil]

Has Stokes got himm here

He has, but it just keeps the trend of umpiring decisions all going one way continuing. Umpires call on height and umpires call on hitting Brathwaite in line. Commentators just saying he was very unlucky to be given.

If I was the WI I'd be putting in a complaint about the bias in the umpiring, at least if they do that it may improve. If they say nothing this will probably continue. Disappointing.

[mikesiva]

In hindsight, these matches should have had one English umpire and one West Indian. They could have come up with the team.

[Arthur Crabtree]

WI batting innings looking very familiar. Everyone getting a start and then getting out.

[yuppie]

If in doubt, give it to England.

[sussexpob]

Has Stokes got himm here

He has, but it just keeps the trend of umpiring decisions all going one way continuing. Umpires call on height and umpires call on hitting Brathwaite in line. Commentators just saying he was very unlucky to be given.

I think I have made my point on that without needing to repeat it again, but if Windies lose by a small margin in this game, I think they have a right to be annoyed at the fact every split decision has gone against them

[sussexpob]

In hindsight, these matches should have had one English umpire and one West Indian. They could have come up with the team.

Or with this being 2020, just not have any standing umpires and do it with neutral umpires watching a live feed. If the team appeals he uses the green and red light system shown at the ground to communicate decisions, and challenges are made by a signal on field.

[Arthur Crabtree]

There has been an opinion for a while that there shouldn't be neutral umpires because it not fair on England and Australia because they have the best umpires and and those sides don't get to have their own officials. Backed up by DRS. Which always felt incredible presumptuous. Commentators never questioned it.

At least neutral umpires rule out (to a large degree) the suspcion of bias, and the bad feeling that leads to. Maybe this experiment will reinforce the desirability of having neutral umpires.

[Arthur Crabtree]

In hindsight, these matches should have had one English umpire and one West Indian. They could have come up with the team.

Or with this being 2020, just not have any standing umpires and do it with neutral umpires watching a live feed. If the team appeals he uses the green and red light system shown at the ground to communicate decisions, and challenges are made by a signal on field.

Though the present system works on a balance between an on field observer and technology on the presumption that neither is infallable. So it may be that no on field umpires would lead to more wrong decisions.

[sussexpob]

Though the present system works on a balance between an on field observer and technology on the presumption that neither is infallable. So it may be that no on field umpires would lead to more wrong decisions.

Id argue that the umpires are just there for continuing a traditional aspect of the game for the purists, and rather than actually seek to create the most accurate system possible using all the available tools that modern technology gives us, the current decision making process sacrifices a lot of accuracy in order to justify the umpire standing there for hours. We know the given tolerance of the technology and its error rating, placing a larger level of tolerance over that threshold to actually correct the technology being right for human wrong decisions. I bet you could code hawkeyes umpires call right to the edge of its margin of error, and go test matches before the accuracy failure leads to an uncertain decision. The real irony is that technology is being used as superior to confirm or reject decisions, but then often is corrected by known human error.... its very bizarre.

But hey, I actually wasnt suggesting a full tech system...... an umpire watching can still give it out, and hawkeye can give its own decision. An umpire presses his decision button, hawkeye calculates it on the current used margins, and if its in umpires call that decision stands, if hes way off in accuracy the system just automatically overturns it. An appeal is lodged and youd have a decision pretty much instantly.

[alfie]

I wouldn't get too excited about it ...umpiring errors were all fixed by drs so no one has actually been dudded , have they ?

Brathwaite might reasonably have got away with it ; but he can't claim to have been the victim of an actual mistake.

Certainly hope they get more right first time as the game goes on but let's not assume a few mistakes are automatically evidence of partiality. Umpires are only human.

[sussexpob]

Anderson gets Brookes, who unsuccesfully reviews the edge.

[mikesiva]

Brooks out for 39. Four down.

Why did he review that?

[sussexpob]

I wouldn't get too excited about it ...umpiring errors were all fixed by drs so no one has actually been dudded , have they ?

Brathwaite might reasonably have got away with it ; but he can't claim to have been the victim of an actual mistake.

Certainly hope they get more right first time as the game goes on but let's not assume a few mistakes are automatically evidence of partiality. Umpires are only human.

Having had to endure a two day seminar on unconscious bias and business ethics earlier in the year, I can tell that the vast majority of bias is so inherently built into someones make up, they dont need to manifest it in any particular way, its pretty automatic. So its not something that you can turn round and say "the umpire is purposefully or knowingly doing it". But the fact pretty much every single umpiring decision has gone against one team can be a pretty good example of the umpires being unconsciously biased.

Not sure DRS also helps. If Windies are going to lose every single umpires call, then they are severely disadvantaged.

[alfie]

I wouldn't get too excited about it ...umpiring errors were all fixed by drs so no one has actually been dudded , have they ?

Brathwaite might reasonably have got away with it ; but he can't claim to have been the victim of an actual mistake.

Certainly hope they get more right first time as the game goes on but let's not assume a few mistakes are automatically evidence of partiality. Umpires are only human.

Having had to endure a two day seminar on unconscious bias and business ethics earlier in the year, I can tell that the vast majority of bias is so inherently built into someones make up, they dont need to manifest it in any particular way, its pretty automatic. So its not something that you can turn round and say "the umpire is purposefully or knowingly doing it". But the fact pretty much every single umpiring decision has gone against one team can be a pretty good example of the umpires being unconsciously biased.

Not sure DRS also helps. If Windies are going to lose every single umpires call, then they are severely disadvantaged.

No I appreciate we aren't talking about conscious bias. Certainly it is possible home umpires could be still leaning one way without even realising it...but it rather depends on the individual , does it not ? Judging by just the posters on here I'd say some people might if anything lean against their home team.

And indeed there have been several decisions involved so I can understand why the argument is raised. I just think we should wait and watch the rest of the game before getting carried away. I'd be concerned if it continued throughout but we are only 14 wickets out of 40 so far...

And drs surely does help. We can talk about "every single umpires call" if and when that happens ...it's only been one , fortunately the English wickets were all clear three reds yesterday.