sussexpob wrote:alfie wrote:Are you having a laugh , SP ? Do you seriously reckon this pitch is fit for a Test Match ? Think I have more respect for the views of the ex-Test players commenting on the game who recognise that balls practically running along the ground on the first couple of days are very much "an outlier"
If you look at the hardest ranked pitches to bat in data, they are almost all uniquely high bounce/high pace pitches. The data shows two quite clear things over history....
- Pace and high bounce are considered harder, and ranked appropriately
- Increased difficulty in these factors has a strong correlation to sanctions.
- Low bounce/low pace pitches have never been sanctioned irrespective of difficulty rating, and the same is true of pitches that spin a lot.
The 2019 North Sound West Indies v England game is ranked the hardest pitch ever measured, and it was not cited at all, not sanctioned, and no one complained. Because it was slow. Any high bounce/pace pitch over 8/10 difficult is sanctioned. Ahmedabad in 2021 v India is the only other slow/huge spin track ranked in the extreme difficulty, and that also was not sanctioned.
The data is beyond conclusive - to sanction a fast bowlers pitch that is not a danger to players would be unprecedented. It has basically never happened before irrespective of how hard batting actually is.
I probably should leave this alone because we are never going to agree...
But still : No one - certainly not me - has said this was the worst pitch they've ever seen. I have seen several worse - hell I have played on worse (though no one was bowling at 85 plus or paying 100plus pounds to watch ). What I and most others are saying is that this was absolutely not a fit surface for a
Test Match ; and it is beyond my comprehension how you can attempt to argue otherwise . Do you want Test Matches to be barely lasting two days ? Think that will be good for the format as it wrestles with the growth of whiz bang franchise rubbish ?
You can claim modern bats are not as good at dealing with really difficult conditions , and I would generally agree with that. But to imply that that was the primary reason for this ridiculously shortened game seems to me a highly dubious claim. Some rather good players like Joe Root were made to look a bit silly on it : and these same players have managed to score plenty in the past , even on pitches that gave the bowlers a fair deal of assistance.
150 Tests at Lord's , but not just Lord's but all English grounds have
never previously seen 24 wickets in a match fall either bowled or lbw. And only twice in all Test history (all countries) have 40 wickets fallen in less than the 996 deliveries that saw this one done and dusted. One was in 1907. The other in 1888. Not an over of spin bowled in the whole game. Surely all that hints that this was by any definition indeed "an outlier" (your own term) ?
High bounce is obviously more physically dangerous . No one would argue with that. But absurdly low bounce combined with total unpredictability are just as deadly to normal batting - as we have just seen. So this pitch still deserves to be rated unsatisfactory at best ; and if you can't see that then I despair of having a rational discussion on the matter.
PS : Despite the above , I am not going to use this as an excuse to (a) condemn criticism of Bethell for coming into this game with scant useful preparation - or for a poor shot prior to his actual dismissal. He still has work to do to prove his worth.
Or (b) Use it to downgrade justified acclaim for your pet bowler Robinson's fine game : he used the conditions superbly and I have nothing but praise for his performance. More power to him.
Other than that I was both entertained by the match while at the same time concerned to see a third of six England Tests decided in less than two days actual playing time. Makes it hard to judge team and individual performance so I hope the remaining Tests of this summer are played on somewhat more "normal" surfaces.