World Cup S/F 1, NZ vs SA, March 24

[yuppie]

Timely 6 there for NZ, but what was Philander thinking?

All getting a bit tense out there.

[rich1uk]

Timely 6 there for NZ, but what was Philander thinking?

All getting a bit tense out there.

said at the time dropping abbott and bringing philander back could come back to haunt SA , abbott had been bowling way better than philander in the games played so far

that 18 from the second over of the match that philander bowled really got NZ going and he hasn't been a lot better since

[Gingerfinch]

Timely 6 there for NZ, but what was Philander thinking?

All getting a bit tense out there.

said at the time dropping abbott and bringing philander back could come back to haunt SA , abbott had been bowling way better than philander in the games played so far

that 18 from the second over of the match that philander bowled really got NZ going and he hasn't been a lot better since

I can only assume they wanted Philander's tail end batting?

[hopeforthebest]

Not scoring off Tahir means they must score big off other bowlers. Dumminy is only going at 7.5 so they will have to take risks and with 4 down the tail is not far away.

[dan08]

Where's Steyn? I know he hasn't been great but he's got 5 overs left and is capable of taking a couple of quick wickets.

[dan08]

Terrible bowling. SA basically banking on Tahir and Morkel.

[idlebrain]

Not sure I agree tbh. I have always thought that assuming runs get on the board at a pretty high rate in this case, is a pretty wide assumption. The team batting has "resources" or wickets left, but trying to score more runs means you lose that resource. It never made sense that you can assume one team would score more runs than another in the same overs.

The only thing you can say is SA scored 281 from 43 overs.... that should be the target

cant agree with that today , SA were going along at 10-12 runs per over when the rain came and were looking at getting 350 if they had batted the full 50 overs

also when a game is reduced in the situation it was the team batting first would be at a massive disadvantage given they didn't know they only had 43 overs to bat with their 10 wickets in hand when they started, whereas the team batting second do so can take more chances right from the start knowing its a shorter game

The D/L concept is fine. My concern is has the D/L algorithm been updated to reflect the new playing conditions (two balls in an innings, only four fielders outside the 30 yard circle) and the resultant "Higher Par Score" per innings. Looking at the adjustment of just 20 runs for 7 overs, that seems unlikely OR may be whatever adjustment to the algorithm is not sufficient enough!!!. It would be interesting to know the current par score for 50 overs as per D/L!!!!

[yuppie]

Terrible bowling. SA basically banking on Tahir and Morkel.

It might be enough for them though.

To many dot balls for NZ at present

[dan08]

Terrible bowling. SA basically banking on Tahir and Morkel.

It might be enough for them though.

To many dot balls for NZ at present

It's fine. RRR is manageable. Duminy has to bowl 25% of the remaining overs.

[sussexpob]

Not sure I agree tbh. I have always thought that assuming runs get on the board at a pretty high rate in this case, is a pretty wide assumption. The team batting has "resources" or wickets left, but trying to score more runs means you lose that resource. It never made sense that you can assume one team would score more runs than another in the same overs.

The only thing you can say is SA scored 281 from 43 overs.... that should be the target

cant agree with that today , SA were going along at 10-12 runs per over when the rain came and were looking at getting 350 if they had batted the full 50 overs

also when a game is reduced in the situation it was the team batting first would be at a massive disadvantage given they didn't know they only had 43 overs to bat with their 10 wickets in hand when they started, whereas the team batting second do so can take more chances right from the start knowing its a shorter game

The D/L concept is fine. My concern is has the D/L algorithm been updated to reflect the new playing conditions (two balls in an innings, only four fielders outside the 30 yard circle) and the resultant "Higher Par Score" per innings. Looking at the adjustment of just 20 runs for 7 overs, that seems unlikely OR may be whatever adjustment to the algorithm is not sufficient enough!!!. It would be interesting to know the current par score for 50 overs as per D/L!!!!

Last time I looked it was 235

[yuppie]

Terrible bowling. SA basically banking on Tahir and Morkel.

It might be enough for them though.

To many dot balls for NZ at present

It's fine. RRR is manageable. Duminy has to bowl 25% of the remaining overs.

Yep, could be costly.

Is Steyn injured, he was of the field. SA will need a impact from him

[dan08]

Terrible bowling. SA basically banking on Tahir and Morkel.

It might be enough for them though.

To many dot balls for NZ at present

It's fine. RRR is manageable. Duminy has to bowl 25% of the remaining overs.

Yep, could be costly.

Is Steyn injured, he was of the field. SA will need a impact from him

Had a slight niggle but has been very expensive anyway
anyway. Guess he'll still bowl out despite going at over 10.

[Gingerfinch]

NZ in a good position now. Wickets in hand, and the r/rate should be easy to maintain.

[idlebrain]

Not sure I agree tbh. I have always thought that assuming runs get on the board at a pretty high rate in this case, is a pretty wide assumption. The team batting has "resources" or wickets left, but trying to score more runs means you lose that resource. It never made sense that you can assume one team would score more runs than another in the same overs.

The only thing you can say is SA scored 281 from 43 overs.... that should be the target

cant agree with that today , SA were going along at 10-12 runs per over when the rain came and were looking at getting 350 if they had batted the full 50 overs

also when a game is reduced in the situation it was the team batting first would be at a massive disadvantage given they didn't know they only had 43 overs to bat with their 10 wickets in hand when they started, whereas the team batting second do so can take more chances right from the start knowing its a shorter game

The D/L concept is fine. My concern is has the D/L algorithm been updated to reflect the new playing conditions (two balls in an innings, only four fielders outside the 30 yard circle) and the resultant "Higher Par Score" per innings. Looking at the adjustment of just 20 runs for 7 overs, that seems unlikely OR may be whatever adjustment to the algorithm is not sufficient enough!!!. It would be interesting to know the current par score for 50 overs as per D/L!!!!

Last time I looked it was 235

Wiki shows G50 (the term used by D/L to indicate the par score in 50 overs) was 235 in back 2008-09. Since then its 245. If its really 245 even now, then I think its outdated and doesn't reflect the current playing conditions. May be they should update the G50 every time there is a change in the playing conditions?

Also, interesting quote from D & L on this. Again from Wiki.

"Duckworth and Lewis write, 'We accept that the value of G50, perhaps, should be different for each country, or even for each ground, and there is no reason why any cricket authority may not choose the value it believes to be the most appropriate. In fact it would be possible for the two captains to agree a value of G50 before the start of each match, taking account of all relevant factors. However, we do not believe that something that is only invoked if rain interferes with the game should impose itself on every game in this way. In any case, it should be realised that the value of G50 usually has very little effect on the revised target. If 250 were used, for instance, instead of 235, it is unlikely that the target would be more than two or three runs different.'"

Just a rhetorical question : - What do you think is the ideal G50 for this tournament?

[Aidan11]

NZ ahead here but a couple of quick wickets could end it.