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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby shankycricket » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:15 pm

backfootpunch wrote:maybe KP has realised with the top5 in odis playing so well that he wont be selected in that form and therefore if he comes out of retirement he can play t20s and will have the odis off anyway

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:38 pm

This was Pietersen's response to getting time off in 2010.


Kevin Pietersen is facing disciplinary action after reacting angrily on Twitter to being dropped from England's squad for the Twenty20 and one-day internationals against Pakistan.

Pietersen's outburst, several hours before England's squad was officially revealed, will be investigated by the England and Wales Cricket Board, which has issued strict instructions to all players that Twitter should be used in a responsible fashion.

Pietersen, dropped by England for the first time after a summer of torment, vented his feelings on his account kevinpp24. The post, quickly removed, read: "Yep. Done for rest of summer!! Man of the World Cup T20 and dropped from the T20 side too.. Its a *modded* up!! Surrey have signed me for l ..."

Pietersen had found himself up against Twitter's 140-character limit. What he wanted to say was "...for loan".

England believe Pietersen will benefit from a change of scene ahead of the Ashes, although initially at least they failed to convince him of that. His pride has been stung by his omission so close to the start of the Ashes tour, although his response did not go down well with Geoff Miller, England's national selector.

Apparently being looked after by the ECB was not so much fun back then.

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:53 pm

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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:54 pm

If KP gambled his career on Bell coming good in ODIs we should probably make him a national selector.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby rich1uk » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:52 pm

backfootpunch wrote:maybe KP has realised with the top5 in odis playing so well that he wont be selected in that form and therefore if he comes out of retirement he can play t20s and will have the odis off anyway


i said that a few pages ago ;)

surprised this has happened , i really hope he isn't trying to pull a fast one just to play in the t20 WC this year and has been told if he did retire again from ODIs immediately afterwards that he would never play for england in any format again

the whole thing has been handled badly by all parties, i genuinely think that when KP first approached the ECB with his concerns about the schedule and the amount of ODIs that they would be sympathetic to his concerns given the statements they had been making about looking after players who played in all three formats. whether it was because of the previous incident with him being fined for the nick knight thing or the longer dodgy relationship or just the way KP might have pressented his "demands" the ECB took a very hard line. KP being the type of personality he is would have replied in kind and told them he would just retire instead. as kim said earlier in the thread leading to a situation that really benefitted neither party.

hes had time to reflect on what might have been a hasty decision, and who of us haven't made decisions in the heat of a disagreement we have later recanted.

i cant see any way he gets back into the ODI team in the short term anyway now but might end up being the waterboy in the ODI squad for awhile. might be an appropriate "punishment".
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:18 am

I think he will get back into the ODI team when they rotate other players. :laugh
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby m@tt » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:56 am

hopeforthebest wrote:This was Pietersen's response to getting time off in 2010.


Kevin Pietersen is facing disciplinary action after reacting angrily on Twitter to being dropped from England's squad for the Twenty20 and one-day internationals against Pakistan.

Pietersen's outburst, several hours before England's squad was officially revealed, will be investigated by the England and Wales Cricket Board, which has issued strict instructions to all players that Twitter should be used in a responsible fashion.

Pietersen, dropped by England for the first time after a summer of torment, vented his feelings on his account kevinpp24. The post, quickly removed, read: "Yep. Done for rest of summer!! Man of the World Cup T20 and dropped from the T20 side too.. Its a *modded* up!! Surrey have signed me for l ..."

Pietersen had found himself up against Twitter's 140-character limit. What he wanted to say was "...for loan".

England believe Pietersen will benefit from a change of scene ahead of the Ashes, although initially at least they failed to convince him of that. His pride has been stung by his omission so close to the start of the Ashes tour, although his response did not go down well with Geoff Miller, England's national selector.

Apparently being looked after by the ECB was not so much fun back then.

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He was dropped though, not rested.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Aidan11 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:44 am

This current ODI side of ours looks quite good at the moment. Bell has proven he can open in ODIs so where would KP fit in?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby rich1uk » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:59 am

Aidan11 wrote:This current ODI side of ours looks quite good at the moment. Bell has proven he can open in ODIs so where would KP fit in?


he doesn't

i still think a top 4 of bell, cook, trott and bopara is too conservative and all a bit samey but after the last couple of series you cant replace any of them
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:41 am

I wonder what Stuart Broad as captain of the T20 team thinks of all this.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby SaintPowelly » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:50 am

SaintPowelly wrote:I wouldnt be at all suprised if its a publicity stunt and KP wanting attention and people begging him to play.

I expect a U-turn in the next few days.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:09 pm

I see Pietersen is not in direct communication with the ECB, negotiations are conducted by his representatives. His Mum and Dad maybe.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:11 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:I see Pietersen is not in direct communication with the ECB, negotiations are conducted by his representatives. His Mum and Dad maybe.

Or his nanny?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby m@tt » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:47 pm

People are very quick to bash KP - though thankfully on here most people are fairly sensible. Only Dhoni has played more days of international cricket since 2005 and will create problems both physically and mentally - he needs and wants to stay fresh so that he can perform whenever he plays. He works very hard on his game, despite what many people like to think. He is a confident guy, though also an insecure one - I wouldn't say money is a big factor for him but being loved is and that is why he seeks the big stage (hence why the big crowds and glamour of the IPL appeal to him) and the headline grabbing (in a good way) performances.

The idea that he isn't a team player and a bad apple is, frankly, ridiculous. If he was a problem, then England have had plenty of opportunities to get rid. He went long enough without centuries in both Tests and ODIs for England to drop him on form and give them an excuse to rid the team of a problem player. They didn't though. Of course, he isn't the perfect, selfless player some wish him to be and, thanks to his insecurities, I'm sure there are occasionally problems behind the scenes, but he is as happy as anyone when the team wins with limited contributions from himself, or when a team-mate gets a century to end a barren run (like Strauss this 'summer').

He wants to play but not to burn himself out and I believe that his concerns are very valid. He had been discussing/arguing about his schedule since last year, so the ECB knew it was an issue. In fact, that may be why they introduced the ODI/T20 clause into the contracts last year. A sceptical view, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason.

That said, he's made his bed, he's now got to lie in it. If he wanted to play in the World T20, he should have delayed retiring. Surely the home ODIs against Australia (the old enemy), South Africa (country of birth) and the West Indies (against his friend Gayle) would have appealed to him? Home series are very different to tours - he may still have to stay in hotels but his wife and child would be nearby and home comforts much more within reach.

As it is, if he is allowed back then he will probably retire again after the World T20 or possibly after the India ODIs. I can't see him wanting to play ODI series in New Zealand. As such, I cannot see Flower and the ECB allowing his back.

In terms of where he fits in were he to come back, getting him into the ODI side would be very difficult. In the T20 side, I think there is room - either for Bopara or Bairstow. Ravi's strike rate is still under a run-a-ball whilst Bairstow's overall Twenty20 record (for so Yorks and England) doesn't exactly demand inclusion - only one fifty (albeit a very good one against Pakistan) and a conservative SR, whilst he List A record is pretty average. Plus it would solve the issue of having the inexperienced duo of Bairstow and Buttler in the middle-order. But it's a moot point, he won't be back.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:50 pm

There are prima donnas in all sports and people who are prepared to excuse their behaviour, I suppose.
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