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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:14 pm

hopeforthebest wrote:Not long ago he was protesting "it's not about money" this interview gives lie to that claim. He also claimed how much he loved playing for Eng;and, this article tells us that playing for England is in order to increase his commercial value.


Where does he say that?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:16 pm

I was getting slightly bored with the media trying to keep the media story going with "revelations" that were two weeks past their use by date but six weeks old takes the cake a little.

He made pretty much the exact same comments at the time in the press, quite literally money for old rope.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:20 pm

It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:47 pm

"Test cricket is right up there, most definitely," he says, "but IPL and Twenty20 cricket is a matter of fact now. Every board has accepted it apart from the ECB, unfortunately. Some part of international cricket may have to give because the IPL is not going away. No one in their right mind would turn down the contracts I have been offered." The implication, in his own words, that Pietersen is playing Test cricket largely to ensure his own brand awareness remains high will also leave England's managing director, Hugh Morris, aghast as he determines whether Pietersen can be part of a united dressing room under a new captain, Alastair Cook. "The best players in Test cricket have got the best contracts in the IPL," he says. "You know that's where you build the brand."

That's about money and tells why he wants to play tests. You don't see it because yo don't wish to.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:51 pm

The man tried to make it so he could play in the IPL over International fixtures, so how is it remotely news worthy that he was making supportive comments regarding the IPL nearly a month and a half ago?

Since that interview was given he's actually dropped any and all demands about his contract so is supportive views over the IPL and the content of that interview aren't even relevant any more

If there was any doubt that the media are trying to keep this story going as long as possible it's been brushed away now.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:05 pm

Just looks like poorly expressed enthusiasm for IPL while still racing on the fumes of his experience. It doesn't really make much sense, like a jumble of overheard jargon. And not news.

Why are they publishing it now? Because it wasn't interesting enough before. They sat on this story for six weeks!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby yorker_129-7 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:09 pm

So KP loves the IPL? Wow, hold the presses...
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:10 pm

Making_Splinters wrote:The man tried to make it so he could play in the IPL over International fixtures, so how is it remotely news worthy that he was making supportive comments regarding the IPL nearly a month and a half ago?

Since that interview was given he's actually dropped any and all demands about his contract so is supportive views over the IPL and the content of that interview aren't even relevant any more

If there was any doubt that the media are trying to keep this story going as long as possible it's been brushed away now.


Those words are from his own lips not the pen of some journalist and the fact that he went onto 'facebook' and did a mealy mouthed u-turn now turns out was just to protect hiss brand name.
He clearly shows that he doesn't give a damn about England and believes in the Dutch saying "Ikie, Ijie, Ikie and the rest mag stikie". Translated means "me, me. me and the rest can lump it".
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby D/L » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:15 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.

Not really. The content of the interview is far more revealing than when it was made (only two or three weeks before the Youtube volte-face?). The reporting of it serves a purpose - helping people form an opinion about Pietersen's credibility.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:21 pm

If you can see that, I think you've got special glasses hftb!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:23 pm

D/L wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:It's true. It's just desperate. Real barrel scraping.

Not really. The content of the interview is far more revealing than when it was made (only two or three weeks before the Youtube volte-face?). The reporting of it serves a purpose - helping people form an opinion about Pietersen's credibility.


Really now, D/L.

if your Boss says you're fired does the fact he once said you're hired damage his credibility?

Seeing as KP made almost exactly the same comments in the press at the same time that interview was taken, had done so many times in the past before that and had even tried to get out of international commitments to play in the IPL fairly clearly demonstrate his opinions and thought processes about the IPL.

Since then he's realised that it's either tow the rope or go away which makes all his opinions about the IPL irrelevant.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Making_Splinters » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:32 pm

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Making_Splinters wrote:The man tried to make it so he could play in the IPL over International fixtures, so how is it remotely news worthy that he was making supportive comments regarding the IPL nearly a month and a half ago?

Since that interview was given he's actually dropped any and all demands about his contract so is supportive views over the IPL and the content of that interview aren't even relevant any more

If there was any doubt that the media are trying to keep this story going as long as possible it's been brushed away now.


Those words are from his own lips not the pen of some journalist and the fact that he went onto 'facebook' and did a mealy mouthed u-turn now turns out was just to protect hiss brand name.
He clearly shows that he doesn't give a damn about England and believes in the Dutch saying "Ikie, Ijie, Ikie and the rest mag stikie". Translated means "me, me. me and the rest can lump it".


Missing the point by a fairly significant margin there Hope.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:47 pm

Might as well paste this in from a comment I made on the Guardian:

I saw something from one of the Guardian writers earlier in the summer about KP releasing an interview at the same time as Mohammad Farah was winning one of his Olympic golds, and remarking on the timing of KPs statement. I thought that was rather a desperate point, presumably highlighting KPs selfish crassness compared with the Olympic hero. Though i wasn't sure. I got a feeling he might have felt that Pietersen was stealing the limelight from a greater, more worthy achievement...

Strauss has retired in the middle of the ODI series, providing more distractions for England as they try to overcome South Africa. Now I don't make anything of that. It's no more an issue than it was for me when Flintoff retired from cricket on the last day of the CC!

But it does show how when the press have an agenda, as have the Guardian, Telegraph, Mail, etc, they can and will use any slight detail to damage the reputation of a player, however tenuous or open to interpretation. See todays KP story from the the Cricketer for further examples.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby hopeforthebest » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:17 pm

AC you clearly have a low opinion of me if you think I am led by the nose by journalists when I have spent all my life developing a total scepticisme toward all media. In this case my opinion is based upon Pietersen's own words and behaviour not the hyperbole that comes in the press.
I find your ' I am a smooth man whilst my brother is a hairy man' attitude, somewhat insulting.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen retires from limited overs cricket

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:24 pm

Sorry to give you that impression, and I apologise if you feel insulted. i don't mean this glibly. I'm genuinely sorry. I don't have a low opinion of you at all. I don't really have a high opinion of my arguments even. They are merely what I believe. I just can't see what you are looking at here. And I was just messing about a bit. but that isn't always obvious. Sorry again. I'll try and give it a rest.
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