The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[Arthur Crabtree]

Apart from a leak, which he fairly quickly contradicted or changed his mind on, there isn't (currently) any suggestion that he will miss England games for IPL. He's said that at least a couple of times.

[Arthur Crabtree]

If Flower chooses not to work with KP, then he can resign if it matters that much to him. Hopefully it won't come to that.

[hopeforthebest]

If Flower chooses not to work with KP, then he can resign if it matters that much to him. Hopefully it won't come to that.

AC Flower doesn't seem the man to compromise on matters that are important to him. His constant reference to unity and trust will make it difficult for him to remain if KP is imposed on him against his will.

[Kim]

His IPL contract is 2 Million dollars OSY and he may be getting some sweeteners like Gayle.

My understand that that was over 3 years not per year.

Its per year

[Arthur Crabtree]

Seems the South Africans may have been playing things a little more than previously thought.

Which if this is the casethey lose a lot of the respect that I had for them, hat they had to resort to this type of tactic to win a series, speaks volumnes about the levels that people will stoop in regards to winning, I though cricket was above this type of thing.

I sort of agree. But it isn't obvious that SA could do anything about the way the ECB responded to the story. The SAns seemed a bit shocked by that.

[Kim]

KP has to make his mind. How much is enough, which tournaments he has to play. It's his decision and it has to be respected. However, players should also respect ECB's decisions in that case. It cannot be one way.

I agree, but the consequence is that he looses his right to be automatically selected for international duty, thus looses his central contract, which has a financial implication.

Sorry to repeat this but I think it is important. He loses money by being centrally contracted - quite a lot of money. And its important because people go on at KP - though they dont know him - about being money obsessed. Whether he is or not I dont know but, if he decides to carry on with England - if hes offered a deal - then he cant be totally obsesseds by it

[meninblue]

KP has to make his mind. How much is enough, which tournaments he has to play. It's his decision and it has to be respected. However, players should also respect ECB's decisions in that case. It cannot be one way.

I agree, but the consequence is that he looses his right to be automatically selected for international duty, thus looses his central contract, which has a financial implication.

I feel that ECB will amend the clause so that they are ensured of their star cricketers availability for international tours. They have every right to put such a clause given the way IPL is influencing the international teams. It will then be up to the players and IPL franchisees whether to sign such players who might not be available. It could also give ECB the right so as to release contracted cricketers to some or all T20 tournaments/matches if international matches do not clash.

[OffStumpYorker]

Seems the South Africans may have been playing things a little more than previously thought.

Which if this is the casethey lose a lot of the respect that I had for them, hat they had to resort to this type of tactic to win a series, speaks volumnes about the levels that people will stoop in regards to winning, I though cricket was above this type of thing.

I sort of agree. But it isn't obvious that SA could do anything about the way the ECB responded to the story. The SAns seemed a bit shocked by that.

Actually if you were told someone was selling your company secrets to a competator and calling you unpleasent things behinfd your back how would you react. and FYI it wasnt the ECB that drove KP being dropped it would have been flower & selectors, the ECB (Morris) would have been the mouth piece for the team.

The other aspect is that the ECB did give KP time (5 hours) to respond and either Accept/Deny the existince of these messages which he didnt do, so they took the worst case scenario and dropped him. What else were they going to do welcome him with open arms and be a distraction to the preperations.

Its like the way the MCC used to react with regard overhearing comments that the visting team were looking forward to facing Bowler X as he was looking past it, but bowler Y was looking impressive, so the selectors would drop bowler X and pick bowler Y only for Bowler Y to get smacked around. (Source FST's As It was Biography).

Some things in Lords/MCC/ECB have changed for the better, other more ingrained things have not, look at the reaction to Karthik's run out of Barrow yesterday for backing up too far.

[meninblue]

The most cunning is the BCCI. They take players from every country except Pakistan. But when it comes to giving players to BPl or the SLPL then they do not give . Why should ECB show a friendly attitude towards BCCI when BCCI is keen on expanding their own tournaments and trying to gain competitive advantage by restricting availability of its players to other T20 tournaments.

[OffStumpYorker]

KP has to make his mind. How much is enough, which tournaments he has to play. It's his decision and it has to be respected. However, players should also respect ECB's decisions in that case. It cannot be one way.

I agree, but the consequence is that he looses his right to be automatically selected for international duty, thus looses his central contract, which has a financial implication.

I feel that ECB will amend the clause so that they are ensured of their star cricketers availability for international tours. They have every right to put such a clause given the way IPL is influencing the international teams. It will then be up to the players and IPL franchisees whether to sign such players who might not be available. It could also give ECB the right so as to release contracted cricketers to some or all T20 tournaments/matches if international matches do not clash.

The contract already allows this, eg KP takes part in the first half of the IPL, but the plus side of that is that he must be available for all international duties Adi.

If a player wants to pick and choose, then he doesnt sign a contract i dont see why its not its a simple choice, the consquence is that said player is not guaranteed selection and doesnt get a guaranteed salary throughout the year from the Central contract.

[Arthur Crabtree]

FYI it wasnt the ECB that drove KP being dropped it would have been flower & selectors, the ECB (Morris) would have been the mouth piece for the team.

Is that known?

The other aspect is that the ECB did give KP time (5 hours) to respond and either Accept/Deny the existince of these messages which he didnt do, so they took the worst case scenario and dropped him. What else were they going to do welcome him with open arms and be a distraction to the preperations.

I thought they could have taken a longer term option rather than just assuming that these texts both existed and were incriminating. It was reported that they told the SAns how to get out Strauss. Now we know they didn't. We still don't know what they said. But the the ECB were happy to react as benefitted SA, probably because it suited their own agenda.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I'll stop posting on this thread until more information becomes available, because I don't want to risk annoying more posters.

[OffStumpYorker]

The most cunning is the BCCI. They take players from every country except Pakistan. But when it comes to giving players to BPl or the SLPL then they do not give . Why should ECB show a friendly attitude towards BCCI when BCCI is keen on expanding their own tournaments and trying to gain competitive advantage by restricting availability of its players to other T20 tournaments.

thats a whole new can of worms, but would Indian players want to play in the BPL or SLPL, when the fees are a significant fraction of what they get from the IPL?

[meninblue]

KP has to make his mind. How much is enough, which tournaments he has to play. It's his decision and it has to be respected. However, players should also respect ECB's decisions in that case. It cannot be one way.

I agree, but the consequence is that he looses his right to be automatically selected for international duty, thus looses his central contract, which has a financial implication.

I feel that ECB will amend the clause so that they are ensured of their star cricketers availability for international tours. They have every right to put such a clause given the way IPL is influencing the international teams. It will then be up to the players and IPL franchisees whether to sign such players who might not be available. It could also give ECB the right so as to release contracted cricketers to some or all T20 tournaments/matches if international matches do not clash.

The contract already allows this, eg KP takes part in the first half of the IPL, but the plus side of that is that he must be available for all international duties Adi.

If a player wants to pick and choose, then he doesnt sign a contract i dont see why its not its a simple choice, the consquence is that said player is not guaranteed selection and doesnt get a guaranteed salary throughout the year from the Central contract.

The player should be allowed to pick and choose only in case it is not clashing with international duty. The problem is that players might break such a contract knowing that income from T20 tournaments(Big Bash/ BPL/ SLPL) contract will more than compensate the reductions by ECB on breach of contract.

[Dilbert]

The most cunning is the BCCI. They take players from every country except Pakistan. But when it comes to giving players to BPl or the SLPL then they do not give . Why should ECB show a friendly attitude towards BCCI when BCCI is keen on expanding their own tournaments and trying to gain competitive advantage by restricting availability of its players to other T20 tournaments.

How is BCCI involved in any of this? When did ECBs attitude towards BCCI become an issue here?

And its good they dont take the Pakistanis in the IPL. There are some things which should be more important than cricket. You of all people should understand that... you are from Mumbai.