The enigma that is Kevin Pietersen

[OffStumpYorker]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

[sussexpob]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

[OffStumpYorker]

I didn't know Knight had said KP should be dropped.

That was the source of the Twitter outburst from KP, I beleive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2147752/Kevin-Pietersen-faces-fine-Nick-Knight-twitter-outburst-Charles-Sale.html

It’s understood Pietersen didn’t like Knight questioning why he remained in the one-day side when he hadn’t scored many runs for a year.

KP was also not a fan of a TV interview in Colombo when Knight mentioned the 31-year-old returning to form in Sri Lanka when he had scored successive one-day hundreds in the UAE.

[OffStumpYorker]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

and sadly some poster need to be hit with a metaphorical sledgehammer to make them see anothers point of view is perfectly reasonable. go figure.

PS : Edited post : but you seem to demand that everybody accepts your version as the gosple truth, and when they dont your point blank refuse to see anything other than your own limited perspective in regards to things.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I have a Paypal account, shall we say 30 dollars? ;)

I didn't lose my cool. That's not fair. I suggest you look into utterances of.... etc...

[greyblazer]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

and sadly some poster need to be hit with a metaphorical sledgehammer to make them see anothers point of view is perfectly reasonable. go figure.

Ha, as though some of you guys can see another point of view is reasonable.

[shankycricket]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

Not the first time though, is it? The said poster insulting a fellow poster is hardly unheard of.

[greyblazer]

Anything that is not completely anti KP is nonsense, nonsense and more nonsense I get it what we say is nonsense.

[greyblazer]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

Not the first time though, is it? The said poster insulting a fellow poster is hardly unheard of.

[Kim]

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

Someone once wrote to me that even Pierre De Fermat would have had trouble with the maths involved if he had to count up the number of times I wrote crap on a message board.

I adnired the quality of the insult too much to take offense.

[Arthur Crabtree]

So our insults need to become more epigrammatical?

Where's my cravat...

[hopeforthebest]

Logic at work:

first policeman - the home secretary tells us that illegal immigrants run away when they see us, so all those running down this street are probably illegal immigrants.

second policeman - were watching the London marathon you fool.

[D/L]

The use of phrases such as “anti KP” and "KP haters" really speaks volumes about how some appear to become trapped in, for want of a better phrase, the cult of personality, and seemingly blind to the actions of the person they so admire. Their defence of their hero is really as much in defence of their long entrenched positions.

For all I know, Pietersen may be a very nice chap (in many interviews, he comes across as such). It is his actions, and really only his latest ones (until recently, when I thought he really crossed a line, I’ve always been in favour of his selection) which I condemn.

[OffStumpYorker]

I hope we're not getting too steamy, chaps. It is a game we're talking about, after all. We don't have to share the same opinions, but we do need to stay cool.

Its a typical, pub type debate (minus alcohol), except we're all miles apart and so things wont end up getting too messy.

And as with all things KP he polarises opinion, people who think that only he is right and can be wronged, and others who take a more pragmatic view and say no person is bigger than the team, if the internet had been around 50 years ago we might have been saying the same about Compton, Hutton, and Trueman at the time.

Sadly the former cant accept that basic point.

And sadly some posters have to resort to phrases like "get it into your head" and "armour plated cranium"..... and I thought this was a forum for discussion, and not somewhere were I must "accept" your points as fact.

Not the first time though, is it? The said poster insulting a fellow poster is hardly unheard of.

Meh, As i've said people can take umbrage if they so please I really dont care, I'm never likely to meet them or exchange christmas cards with them, or be invited to thier house, so it matters little what people think of me and I will continue expressing my opinions whether people like them or not.

As for the use of insults, I was refering to the fact that people are trying to draw an equality between JA's comments on Vaughan, Swanns comments on the state of the team under Moores/KP, and the outburst of KP to Nick Knight who suggested that KP be dropped from Limited overs cricket, all three of which ARE mutually exclusive which ever way you try and perm it.

Its also Ironic that,those with apparently short memories seem to forget, is that is exactly the reason KP retired from T20 and ODI's as he wanted to drop the ODI's from his schedule and focus on T20.

[meninblue]

I think both KP and ECB have moved to live without each other. His comeback will be made difficult if he goes ahead with the commentary role. Getting both of them to negotiate is like asking a divorced couple to marry again and see if it clicks.