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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby dan08 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:36 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Herath is a different bowler home and away. Hardly took a wicket on the England tour.

He took 8 wickets in the 2 Tests...
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby yuppie » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:39 am

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
yuppie wrote:When the ICC became lax on the rules it would lead to a big increase in people chucking. Thats whats now happened, and they have realised that they needed to do something about it. Suddenly they are reporting everyone with a suspect action. And everyone reported are showing to be chucking, some by large margins.
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Well, they could have ignored it, like they did for a long time. They must have been covering up this before. Which is what many of us felt.



The problem when the ignored it was that more and more bowlers with suspect actions started playing. It was getting so bad they had to do something about it, otherwise it was going to become a scar on the game of cricket.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:53 am

dan08 wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:Herath is a different bowler home and away. Hardly took a wicket on the England tour.

He took 8 wickets in the 2 Tests...


Didn't think he took that many... but he did look quite innocuous. Can't get on statsguru to check his SR, but he seemed to toil for his rewards. Especially in the first innings'.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby rich1uk » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:11 am

interesting comment from the PCB re an appeal ;

It is understood the board maintains Ajmal has a medical condition following an accident that affects the movement of his elbow and that is something that was accepted by ICC when Ajmal's action was cleared previously.

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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby GarlicJam » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:24 am

yuppie wrote: So its good that they are now being picked up, just a shame that some have got away with it for a period of time.
not only because it has been a blight on the game and handed some teams some unfair victories, but it has also spawned a generation of spinners who will now need to be corrected/banned/run out of the game. A larger blight on the game, is that.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby dan08 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:25 am

rich1uk wrote:interesting comment from the PCB re an appeal ;

It is understood the board maintains Ajmal has a medical condition following an accident that affects the movement of his elbow and that is something that was accepted by ICC when Ajmal's action was cleared previously.

:facepalm

If the medical condition is true then he may be allowed an extra 5 or 10 degrees but if he's already at 40 degrees then he's still way over the limit.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:05 pm

Sorry to repeat myself. The PCB have been told by the ICC that Ajmal's 'deformity' allowed him to bowl within the rules as he didn't straighten his arm completely. My point has always been that no one lets go of the ball with a straight arm when they throw, so it's irrelevant. But the ICC have given reasons why Ajmal's action is fair, so it's understandable that the PCB are wondering why it's now seen as illegal.

Even so, Ajmal flexes way over 15 degrees.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:46 pm

dan08 wrote:Ashwin and Narine will be next. And we'll be left with no mystery spinners at all...


If Ashwin get's reported then lots of fast bowlers Bouncers and quicker balls would have to be reported as well.
Not trying to pick names here but Broad, Junaid Khan both have some kinks in the Action when the bouncer/effort ball get's bowled.

I Personally think Ashwin and the fast bowlers are under the limit but if Ashwin get's reported fast bowlers should also get reported for chucking.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:48 pm

I don't think anyone could say Ashwin throws. Narine does though. He must be next.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby yuppie » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:49 pm

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dan08 wrote:Ashwin and Narine will be next. And we'll be left with no mystery spinners at all...


If Ashwin get's reported then lots of fast bowlers Bouncers and quicker balls would have to be reported as well.
Not trying to pick names here but Broad, Junaid Khan both have some kinks in the Action when the bouncer/effort ball get's bowled.

Personally I think Ashwin and the fast bowlers are under the limit but if Ashwin get's reported fast bowlers should also get reported for chucking.



i always remember Brett Lees effort ball. It was a chuck.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:54 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I don't think anyone could say Ashwin throws. Narine does though. He must be next.


Narine will be an interesting case since I am not sure all his deliveries are thrown and even the most suspect one doesn't look bad compared to Ajmal so he may be allowed to bowl all or most of his variations.
Ajmal 6 deliveries all got banned which is remarkable really that ICC didn't ban him earlier.

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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Dr Cricket » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:57 pm

yuppie wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:
dan08 wrote:Ashwin and Narine will be next. And we'll be left with no mystery spinners at all...


If Ashwin get's reported then lots of fast bowlers Bouncers and quicker balls would have to be reported as well.
Not trying to pick names here but Broad, Junaid Khan both have some kinks in the Action when the bouncer/effort ball get's bowled.

Personally I think Ashwin and the fast bowlers are under the limit but if Ashwin get's reported fast bowlers should also get reported for chucking.



i always remember Brett Lees effort ball. It was a chuck.


Yep remember the old days when only fast bowlers chucked or had the sigma of being a chucker.

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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Mr.Cricket » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:34 pm

dan08 wrote:Sky did a piece on chucking and the 15 degree limit is so small. Hardly any leeway for bowlers. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot more spinners are reported.



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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:59 pm

Akhtar too. Flintoff, McGrath.
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Re: Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

Postby shankycricket » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:30 pm

I don't think Ashwin chucks in Test cricket. He does, at times, though, in limited overs matches, when he tries those fancy actions and variations. For example, he was bowling with a Sunil Narine action in the Asia Cup against Bangladesh earlier this year, wasn't too successful and later on shurgged off saying that he was "only trying to see what unfair advantage a bent arm gives". His quicker deliveries and the "pause and deliver" deliveries that he often tries in the shorter formats, especially the IPL can be dodgy. But he doesn't do it on a regular enough basis to be called for chucking especially with his godfather as the chairman of the ICC.... :halo: And his normal action that he uses in Test matches is reasonably clean, even if rather ineffective overseas.
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