Does he throw or not throw, that is the question.

[alfie]

Finding Ajmal flexes at 40 degrees rather calls into question the earlier testing carried out on his action - and those of other bowlers - does it not ?

Can't help thinking the relaxing of regulations several years ago , ostensibly because even bowlers considered perfectly pure were technically infringing the laws as they stood , while doubtless well motivated , has served as a green light for a generation of spinners to attempt what is perhaps only possible for the odd freak ...With the result that we are now seeing a lot of bowlers who might have been decent enough practitioners of their craft now having brief and spectacular introductions followed by sudden ends to their careers...I am assuming the new "hard line" policy continues to be enforced.

Of course I am already hearing suggestions in some quarters that a further loosening of the laws might be advisable... Have thought about it : call me old fashioned , but I really hope the authorities are not tempted to go down that path , as I think it just leads to more trouble...

[Arthur Crabtree]

The 15 degrees was supposed to represent the point at which throwing becomes observable. The impression that doosra bowlers were throwing was said to be an optical illusion... But it's not.

In my view, the 15 degree rule is flawed, but at least let us enforce that much; the supposed point at which we can see the throw.

Experiments carried out in my living room, from the arm coming over to letting go, actual normal throwing has a flexion of hardly more than 40 degrees. Ajmal didn't just have a debatable action, he might as well have been actually just throwing the ball. In my opinion, that 40 degrees was probably exceeded away from the lab.

[Dr Cricket]

Optical illusion was Murali not the Doosra.
Basically ICC thought Murali was the norm and not the exception.

Was watching lots of Weightlifting during the Commonwealth games and they are not allowed to bend the elbows but sometimes movement in the Shoulder makes it look like they bended the Elbow that is optical illusion.
Commentators were always saying it is so difficult for the judges since clean lifts can look dodgy sometimes although they do have computer replays to change wrong decisions.

Murali used his wrist and Shoulders to bowl he was a freak and that is where all the optical illusion talk came in.
Most/all bowlers would probably be chucking if they look like chucking unless the bowler had a freak action where the Shoulder or Wrist does most of the work.

[Arthur Crabtree]

If you start with a bent arm, and then you complete the action with a straight arm, it's not an optical illusion, it's propaganda. Other bowlers have used the optical illusion argument, or had it used for them.

[Dr Cricket]

Yeah Optical illusion is mainly a propaganda ICC should have been strict ages ago on this issue.
If you gonna use Optical illusion as a excuse at least prove it like Murali did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZBukHqNxk

[Dr Cricket]

Pakistan fans will be thinking their bowlers are getting targeted here and probably right in Rasool case.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/champions-l ... 83425.html

[m@tt]

Yeah Optical illusion is mainly a propaganda ICC should have been strict ages ago on this issue.
If you gonna use Optical illusion as a excuse at least prove it like Murali did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZBukHqNxk

First time I've seen that video in its entirety. Interesting. My opinion about optical illusions has always been that a bent arm can appear straight, but a straight arm can't appear bent (in stills).

Watching that video, the key with Murali is that his arm is never straight. And because of his weird shoulders, his arm rotates along its axis during delivery. So at different points, the arm looks bent (as it is) and then straight (which it isn't).

I guess that following on from that, who is to say that Ajmal and others don't bowl the same way? That's where the testing comes in. For which, as an aside, it would probably be fairer for the bowlers to take the test in secret, rather than a public reporting beforehand.

But the thing with Ajmal is that, in a broken-English interview it must be said, he said he is allowed to bowl with more flex due to a previous injury. And following the latest testing he, or a Pakistan Cricket person, again mentioned the injury. Murali says he doesn't flex beyond 15%, the big flex we thing we see is an illusion. Ajmal isn't denying the flex.

[Making_Splinters]

Pakistan fans will be thinking their bowlers are getting targeted here and probably right in Rasool case.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/champions-l ... 83425.html

When I see an Indian bowler banned, I'll be less inclined to agree with them.

[Dr Cricket]

Only indian main bowlers getting targeted would be Ojha don't know anyone else that chucks apart from very very part time bowlers.
Said to someone on twitter the reason eng/Australia bowlers don't get reported is that in County cricket Most bowlers get tested in Loughbouragh any bowler in England Lions/Under 19/Senior teams get analysed.

Not sure if something similar happens in India but domestic cricket isn't filled with dodgy actions in india whereas pakistan/Sri lanka both got hundreds in Domestic cricket with both boards only doing something about it now.

generally Clear Chuckers won't be allowed in many test playing nations domestic cricket but in the last 5-10 yrs Sri lanka and Pakistan have been very generous in allowing so many bowlers to bend their arms.
http://sport360.com/article/internation ... s-pcb-boss
PCB Chairman saying at least 35 spinners in Domestic cricket might be chucking.
Similar reports in Sri lanka cricket.

To put that into perspective they think all or most spinners in Pakistan chuck feel sorry for the bowlers though not sure many can change their action now.

[Making_Splinters]

But those part timers aren't being pulled up.

[Dr Cricket]

True but then again ICC might just target the proper bowlers first and get to the part timers later especially since india will hardly ever let Dhawan,Rayudu bowl again.
Far easier just to tell India not to use them then waste money on needless testing.

[Making_Splinters]

If you bowl an over in international cricket or 100 it should not matter. Rayudu's action is ridiculous but mysteriously has been completely ignored.

[Mr.Cricket]

Senanayake back to bowling in Srlankan Domestic.Interesting. So he chucked intentionally. How well he can perform with new action?Lets see.

[yuppie]

Senanayake back to bowling in Srlankan Domestic.Interesting. So he chucked intentionally. How well he can perform with new action?Lets see.

This does seem strange as SL have not released the amount of flex Senanayake bowls at after his remedial action work. They are letting him bowl to practice his new action, but are not stating that its legal

The worry I have is what happens if he is passed fit to bowl at the world cup, but starts to chuck again? If he gets called at the WC he can still bowl for another 20 days, which could have a major impact on the WC. Would SL have beaten England in the one day series with out Senanayake chucking?

[dan08]

Senanayake back to bowling in Srlankan Domestic.Interesting. So he chucked intentionally. How well he can perform with new action?Lets see.

This does seem strange as SL have not released the amount of flex Senanayake bowls at after his remedial action work. They are letting him bowl to practice his new action, but are not stating that its legal

The worry I have is what happens if he is passed fit to bowl at the world cup, but starts to chuck again? If he gets called at the WC he can still bowl for another 20 days, which could have a major impact on the WC. Would SL have beaten England in the one day series with out Senanayake chucking?

I think if you've been banned and come back then if you get reported again within the next year or 2, you're immediately banned again.