Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Aidan11 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:23 pm

The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:26 pm

KipperJohn wrote:Just to lighten the mood, nice pic of Ian Bell who obviously has more important things on his mind.

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Which one is Ian Bell?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:27 pm

Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.


You mentioned Roy Keane earlier, who is not a 'yes' man at all. I doubt though Keane will be moaning about bullying in his book. I'm a bit on the fence with KP. He can play the victim quite well, whilst at the same time has been one.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:30 pm

Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.

And there are some who would rather do their speaking out in the public domain.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby budgetmeansbudget » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:32 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.


You mentioned Roy Keane earlier, who is not a 'yes' man at all. I doubt though Keane will be moaning about bullying in his book. I'm a bit on the fence with KP. He can play the victim quite well, whilst at the same time has been one.

I read his first autobiography, massive ego, he was always right, pissed off alot of people, just like Pietersen.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby SaintPowelly » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:34 pm

Funny how KP never had a problem with bullying whilst he was part of the team.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:34 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.


You mentioned Roy Keane earlier, who is not a 'yes' man at all. I doubt though Keane will be moaning about bullying in his book. I'm a bit on the fence with KP. He can play the victim quite well, whilst at the same time has been one.

I read his first autobiography, massive ego, he was always right, pissed off alot of people, just like Pietersen.


I dare say. He does say it like it is, to who he likes though. Miss him on ITV, even though I thought he talked crap a lot of the time.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby SaintPowelly » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:36 pm

Also, if players have to apologise for dropping catches, wouldn't it of been easier for Prior to get a "sorry" tattoo on his forehead.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Aidan11 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:36 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.


You mentioned Roy Keane earlier, who is not a 'yes' man at all. I doubt though Keane will be moaning about bullying in his book. I'm a bit on the fence with KP. He can play the victim quite well, whilst at the same time has been one.

I read his first autobiography, massive ego, he was always right, pissed off alot of people, just like Pietersen.


I dare say. He does say it like it is, to who he likes though. Miss him on ITV, even though I thought he talked crap a lot of the time.



Just wish he'd shave that beard off. He looks like Father Christmas.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby SaintPowelly » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:37 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.


You mentioned Roy Keane earlier, who is not a 'yes' man at all. I doubt though Keane will be moaning about bullying in his book. I'm a bit on the fence with KP. He can play the victim quite well, whilst at the same time has been one.

I read his first autobiography, massive ego, he was always right, pissed off alot of people, just like Pietersen.


I dare say. He does say it like it is, to who he likes though. Miss him on ITV, even though I thought he talked crap a lot of the time.


He admits in his book that he spoke a load of crap as a pundit, which is why he stopped. There is only so much you can say on live TV
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:37 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:Also, if players have to apologise for dropping catches, wouldn't it of been easier for Prior to get a "sorry" tattoo on his forehead.


That bit did make me squirm. Having to apologise for a dropped catch :no
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby sussexpob » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:39 pm

budgetmeansbudget wrote:
Aidan11 wrote:The problem in all walks of life is that there are "yes men" - the people who do as they are told and just accept situations they may not agree with, and there are those who speak out and challenge things if they are not happy with a situation.

It is the latter who, because they dare speak out, are deemed troublesome or disruptive.

It's a fine line.

And there are some who would rather do their speaking out in the public domain.



And there are some who leak information to the press about people to make them look bad, but are too cowardly to admit it.

Or make fake blogs taking the mike of people rather than say it to their face.

Or use twitter.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby SaintPowelly » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Dr Robert wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Also, if players have to apologise for dropping catches, wouldn't it of been easier for Prior to get a "sorry" tattoo on his forehead.


That bit did make me squirm. Having to apologise for a dropped catch :no


I always hated Ryan Sidebottom giving players a b*llocking, probably explains why Monty went off the rails.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:48 pm

As I've said before, it seemed to start with Sidebottom. Certainly, it wasn't part of the fab four's style.

Of course a player will apologise if he makes a mistake. But them having to do it is a bit sinister.

KP says he raised the issue of bullying with Flower quite a few times. He mentions Bangladesh where Trott got angry with Swann and Broad. I remember Trott looked very out of sorts in that series (I have a hunch that KP deliberately ran him out in an ODI where Trott became shotless). I thought it was because he's just had a tough tour of SA against the bouncer and his place was under pressure. But it might have been something else.

KP says that when it was put to the team that there was bullying going on, Swann and Broad... wanted an apology!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen's Autobiography.

Postby Gingerfinch » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:51 pm

SaintPowelly wrote:
Dr Robert wrote:
SaintPowelly wrote:Also, if players have to apologise for dropping catches, wouldn't it of been easier for Prior to get a "sorry" tattoo on his forehead.


That bit did make me squirm. Having to apologise for a dropped catch :no


I always hated Ryan Sidebottom giving players a b*llocking, probably explains why Monty went off the rails.


Yes, having a bowler shout at you after a dropped catch isn't nice.
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