Premiership 2014/2015

[Alviro Patterson]

Or, alternatively, he was savvy enough to know that he was a 35 year old manager people were keeping a close eye on, and jumped from the sinking ship with Burnley 17th in the league, despite having arguably one of the best Championship strike forces ever assembled ( Jay Rodriguez, Charlie Austin, Sam Vokes and Danny Ings.... and a great overall squad).

He was getting sacked, there was no doubt about that.

Burnley had a lot of raw talent and youth in their squad, but not quite strong enough for a top 6 finish. Burnley are a selling club, who bought shrewd and sold their best players for good transfer fees. After all they spent something like £750k in their Premier League promotion season.

That strikeforce wasn't together for long nor intended to be so. Danny Ings was earmarked as a long term replacement for Jay Rodriguez, who eventually went to Southampton for £7 Million. Sam Vokes played for Burnley in two separate spells. Charlie Austin was injured for a spell.

He has been a manager for about 7-8 years, at what stage is he ready? I hardly think that is too soon.

Much of that time spent in lower league football, with two promotions to this name. There are lower league/unemployed managers who have as many or more honours than Eddie Howe.

Just like after Burnley.

Bournemouth were in a stronger position, on and off the pitch in between Howe's spells.

Well, there is lots of money, managing a club of 55,000 regular attendees, being a premier league manager at a reputable club..... and there is managing at Bournemouth, which is probably not the same by any stretch.

All people are surely looking for a shot at the "big time"..... and Howe isnt going to get a top 4 club without cutting it at least in a Premier League mid table side, so he HAS to move to a club like Newcastle if he wants to progress.

Newcastle are hardly a stepping stone for the Premier League's elite, their fans want to be a top 4 club and St James Park is the 3rd biggest ground in England.
Eddie Howe can progress by staying put, taking Bournemouth to the Premier League is worth far more on a CV than managing an underachieving mid-table PL club for one season and getting the boot.

[st_brendy]

Newcastle would be mad to take a gamble on Howe.

Howe would be made to join them. He's had his fingers burnt once before, when looking to see if the grass is greener. He'd be a fool to make the same mistake twice. Plus, he is getting closer every week to writing himself into Bournemouth history. Given that his journey starting at the very bottom of the Football League, legend would not even cover it. He's in his 30s, it's not like he doesn't have time on his side and needs to jump now. If he is good enough, he'll make it eventually. Be it at Bournemouth, or somewhere else.

I can see Steve Bruce wanting the Newcastle job. And Hull not putting up too much of a fight. But whether Newcastle will want him?

[Aidan11]

WBA sack Irvine.

Someone has probably already mentioned it but just in case it has got lost in the Newcastle stuff.

[sussexpob]

Burnley had a lot of raw talent and youth in their squad, but not quite strong enough for a top 6 finish. Burnley are a selling club, who bought shrewd and sold their best players for good transfer fees. After all they spent something like £750k in their Premier League promotion season.

That strikeforce wasn't together for long nor intended to be so. Danny Ings was earmarked as a long term replacement for Jay Rodriguez, who eventually went to Southampton for £7 Million. Sam Vokes played for Burnley in two separate spells. Charlie Austin was injured for a spell.

Howe bought Austin about a week into his job, and although he was injured that year, he was basically ever present with Jay Rodriguez the following year (they played about 80 matches combined from a possible 92). So the "wasn't together long" comment is neither here nor there.... what happened in the future after Howe left has no bearing on how he failed to achieve anything other than 17th place with arguably the two best current English strikers to have played in the Championship, together, with both sufficiently old to be more than simply potential players (both about 23 I believe at the time). Add to that two players who have both shown they can score bags of goals at that level after he left, and they had a strikeforce that managers dream of.

The defence that Dyche and Howe had were about the same, so Howe cant really complain about that. I think the keeper to defence was exactly the same starting line up. The main difference between what Dyche got promoted and Howe failed with is midfield, and the vastly different riches upfront.

Put simply, Howe signed about 3-4 midfield flops, all of which I think had played for Bournemouth before (Zavon Hines, Junior Stanislas, Josh McQuoid, John Stewart, Marvin Bartley) .... and that is the reason he failed. Add to that the Keith Treacy flop, and its not hard to see why they failed.

Dyche brought in players like Kightly and Arfield, who were far superior, and hence he created a team that was successful. Howe cant blame his lot at Burnley on anything but himself, he had better tools than a subsequent manager, and was far less successful.

[sussexpob]

Newcastle are hardly a stepping stone for the Premier League's elite, their fans want to be a top 4 club and St James Park is the 3rd biggest ground in England.
Eddie Howe can progress by staying put, taking Bournemouth to the Premier League is worth far more on a CV than managing an underachieving mid-table PL club for one season and getting the boot.

No evidence either way, the simple fact is there are plenty of managers who have stayed with smaller clubs after promotion, and they are forgotten about after 6 months. Check people like Nigel Adkins or Brian McDermott.

Those that have made the step up to top four clubs have either achieved in the top of the Premier League over a LONG time (Moyes was at Everton 11 years) or have had previous associations with clubs ( Mark Hughes got the Blackburn job after playing their, got them consistently in the top 10 over a few years, got the Man City job - Robert Di Matteo was successful at two sides in the lower league but used his contacts at Chelsea to secure a job, Avram Grant hadn't managed in England previously, or outside Israel, but had a backroom job at Chelsea, as did Rodgers, who was successful for a short time at Swansea before getting a big job with friends and recommendations in higher places).

In essence, until Howe becomes associated with bigger clubs, the only way he can progress is to take Bournemouth to the Premier League, and then push them onto the top half consistently.....

Lets be realistic. Bournemouth have become a stable and decently run team with a little bit of financial clout in the football league.... they are a drop in the ocean and would struggle to survive in the Prem, and peoples memories are short. Howe being relegated as Bournemouth manager would basically disappear any achievement he made in getting there, that if anything is the precedent.

[budgetmeansbudget]

Berahino off to Liverpool for 25 million, that's a lot of money for potential and a drink driving conviction.

[st_brendy]

Berahino off to Liverpool for 25 million, that's a lot of money for potential and a drink driving conviction.

If true, then WBA have a brilliant opportunity to effectively secure their PL status by the end of the transfer window.

[Gingerfinch]

Berahino off to Liverpool for 25 million, that's a lot of money for potential and a drink driving conviction.

£25m? tbh, I haven't seen much of him, but that fee sounds mental.

[ddb]

WBA's official twitter feed:

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[Alviro Patterson]

No evidence either way, the simple fact is there are plenty of managers who have stayed with smaller clubs after promotion, and they are forgotten about after 6 months. Check people like Nigel Adkins or Brian McDermott.

Those that have made the step up to top four clubs have either achieved in the top of the Premier League over a LONG time (Moyes was at Everton 11 years) or have had previous associations with clubs ( Mark Hughes got the Blackburn job after playing their, got them consistently in the top 10 over a few years, got the Man City job - Robert Di Matteo was successful at two sides in the lower league but used his contacts at Chelsea to secure a job, Avram Grant hadn't managed in England previously, or outside Israel, but had a backroom job at Chelsea, as did Rodgers, who was successful for a short time at Swansea before getting a big job with friends and recommendations in higher places)

The same Nigel Adkins who guided Scunthorpe United to Championship safety on a League Two budget, only to join Southampton the following season and guide them from League One to the Premiership in three years.

Those afforementioned managers have hardly kicked on in their careers since taking on that big job. There are managers who have taken big jobs after leaving smaller clubs, only not to progress in the managerial ladder:

Owen Coyle got too big for his boots by taking on the Bolton Wanderers job, months after unexpectedly guiding Burnley to the Premier League. Eventually Bolton were relegated under Coyle's reign and sacked the following season. His next managerial stint at Wigan Athletic lasted months, before currently settling at a job in Major League Soccer.

Dean Saunders went for a bigger job at Doncaster Rovers after a stint at Wrexham, but managed to relegate the club. Chased another bigger job in Wolverhampton Wanderers, achieved the same result. Now an interim manager at Crawley who are smaller than Wrexham.

Graham Westley went to Preston North End after guiding Stevenage from Conference to League One, managed just 16 wins in 62 matches. Now back at Stevenage who have gone backwards since rejoining.

Darren Ferguson took on the Preston North End gig after guiding Peterborough to two successive promotions, only lasted 11 months at the helm winning 13 out of 49 games.

Peter Taylor had a couple of jobs at higher tier clubs after repeated lower league success, but lasted approximately 12 months at each one.

Keith Hill went to Barnsley in the Championship after guiding Rochdale to promotion in League One and finishing outside the playoffs, managing just 19 wins in 75 games for the Tykes and sacked after 18 months. Now back at Rochdale.


Moral of the story is bigger club moves do not guarantee success or similar jobs in the near future.

[Aidan11]

Tony Pulis now seems West Brom bound after Newcastle advise he was never under consideration with them.

[st_brendy]

I wonder which French managers are available.

[SaintPowelly]

According to some papers this morning, Southampton will sign Martin Odegaard

PLEASE be true.

[sussexpob]

According to some papers this morning, Southampton will sign Martin Odegaard

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the English press quoted the Norway press for the story, and I havent seen any articles in Norway that have even mentioned Southampton in passing.

Barcelona had all but signed him until their transfer ban. Bayern Munich and Man United now seem to be favorites according to the Norway press, with Real Madrid not far behind. He has visited those clubs, and also has spoken and met with Arsenal, Ajax and Dortmund. He visits Man City in the coming days I believe, after which a decision about his future is set to be made. Not sure he intends or has met with the Saints, which would seem bizarre if he intended to chose them.

Personally, I think he will remain in Norway till 2016 and join Barcelona then, or go to United.

[Aidan11]

Man Utd must have had a NYE hangover.

They were caught very early with that goal.