Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

[westoelad]

anywhere but 8 lol, complete waste down there

He has played in the top 6 one game less than at 7/8, and his impact at his normal slot brought absolutely sweet FA. Stokes has batted like a tailender in all but one of his near 25 ODI matches, he has batted with no aggression in the top order, and his bowling got to the point where the captain could no longer rely on him to complete his overs, or even throw him the ball on patchy occasions.

He needs to hit more than a few innings to convince that he can be a use in either discipline at ODI level.

Stokes is a precocious talent as anyone who has seen him regularly will concur. Like most young cricketers he has to be given a specific role in the side-he's a No5 batsman and a strike bowler- and given a consistent run in that role.This applies to any aspiring talent,England don't do this and one of the main reasons for our underachieving.

[sussexpob]

It's not been an easy start for Graves.

Quite the opposite, a difficult start would have been England scraping in to the knock outs and losing in the quarters. Such a shambolic performance gives him the momentum to make changes.

Agreed. Expectations couldnt get lower, he will have a couple of years before the wolves come running (if he does the right thing and actually clears out the deadwood)

[rich1uk]

everyone who says stokes should bat in the top 4 going forward, I have a question

which one of hales, roy, ali, taylor, buttler, vince or root should be left out or batted lower to accommodate him ?

[Arthur Crabtree]

I think it's been said that England won't be picking tourists going to the WI for the Irish ODI.

Which may get rained of.

Which looks a potentially competitive game from where we currently are.

This could be a bit of a scratch side. Of those in the WC squad, these will go to WI.

Moeen
Bell
Ballance
Root
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Jordan

(And Stokes will go to the WI.)

Which is a lot of players missing from a game England won't feel good about losing. Potentially a team of tyros could come in, led by James Taylor.

This leaves, from the WC squad, as well as Taylor,

Tredwell
Bopara
Finn
Hales
Morgan.

Hales is an obvious pick, Tredwell also, but less so. If Moores and Downton remain, I expect Morgan will stay as skipper. Could Ravi and Finn hang around to give a bit of experience to the travelling fifteen?

[rich1uk]

wont bopara and morgan be at the IPL at the time ?

bopara's time with England has to be over now

continually picking failures has to stop

[Arthur Crabtree]

everyone who says stokes should bat in the top 4 going forward, I have a question

which one of hales, roy, ali, taylor, buttler, vince or root should be left out or batted lower to accommodate him ?

I've got Stokes at six, with Moeen below him. But if you want Stokes at four, just write him in there and work around it. If he's considered that integral.

Hales
Vince/Roy
Taylor
Stokes
Root
Buttler
Moeen.

For me, Root is doing ok at four.

[rich1uk]

everyone who says stokes should bat in the top 4 going forward, I have a question

which one of hales, roy, ali, taylor, buttler, vince or root should be left out or batted lower to accommodate him ?

I've got Stokes at six, with Moeen below him. But if you want Stokes at four, just write him in there and work around it. If he's considered that integral.

Hales
Vince/Roy
Taylor
Stokes
Root
Buttler
Moeen.

For me, Root is doing ok at four.

that's my point tho AC , he hasn't done anything to suggest he should be integral or that other players should be batted out of their natural positions to accommodate him

should we really keep wasting buttler at #6 or #7 just so stokes can bat at #4 or #5 ?

I have no problem with him at #6 , my comment was directed at those saying he has to bat in the top 4

[Arthur Crabtree]

wont bopara and morgan be at the IPL at the time ?

bopara's time with England has to be over now

continually picking failures has to stop

Forgot about IPL, though internationals take precedence if England want them.

Agree about Bopara. Just wondering if in a team of near debutants, he might look handy in a fixture they would look bad losing. It might be easier to cast off some of the strugglers if other more experienced players are available.

[rich1uk]

wont bopara and morgan be at the IPL at the time ?

bopara's time with England has to be over now

continually picking failures has to stop

Forgot about IPL, though internationals take precedence if England want them.

Agree about Bopara. Just wondering if in a team of near debutants, he might look handy in a fixture they would look bad losing. It might be easier to cast off some of the strugglers if other more experienced players are available.

afaik morgan has already been given permission to miss the Ireland game , so would be surprised if they forced bopara to play and miss part of the IPL

[Gingerfinch]

Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
A.nother

I like this team.

[Gingerfinch]

Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
A.nother

I like this team.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I started my team off by typing Buttler at five as my priority, and worked the others around him. It'd be nice to have Stokes at five, on potential, but it's not reasonable. Buttler is a more obvious choice.

[rich1uk]

Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
A.nother

I like this team.

buttler at #8 ?

I have to do a shanks here

[Gingerfinch]

Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
A.nother

I like this team.

buttler at #8 ?

I have to do a shanks here

Of course the order can be changed, depending on the situation, but five bowlers, plus Root, and plenty of batting. This team would do ok.
And hey, no Bopara.

[rich1uk]

just no

buttler should be batting at #5 full stop

not down to come in at #8 and only promoted should the situation be deemed favourable

alongside root he is the only batsman who has shown any class in this world cup , why allow players who aren't as good to bat higher and waste your most destructive batsman at #7 or #8