Rebuilding for the next World Cup.

[SaintPowelly]

England fail time and time again because we settle for average test players and try and make them into an ODI side.

Would ANY of these England players get into the NZ or Aus XIs ?? I think not.

[Slipstream]

England fail time and time again because we settle for average test players and try and make them into an ODI side.

Would ANY of these England players get into the NZ or Aus XIs ?? I think not.

ODIs are played like Tests for the first 10 overs with 2 new balls, then they become ODIs and the last 15 overs become like 20/20s. So I would like 3 Test type players at the top to build a platform but then I then I think you need players capable of high strike rates.

West Indies hit 52 sixes, South Africa 50 and England managed 18. (Our big hitters Buttler 2, Morgan 3) AB de Villiers hit 20 on his own.

[meninblue]

Bell 262 runs @ 52.40 @ SR 77.28
Joe 202 runs @ 40.40 @ SR 84.16
Moeen 192 runs @ 38.40 @ SR 105.49
Taylor 149 runs @ 37.25 @ SR 88.69
Jos 141 runs @ 35.35 @ SR 135.57

Bell is useless. There are much better run scoring batsman atm in England.Discuss.....

[Making_Splinters]

Planning means having a goal of where we want to be in four years time and working out the steps we need to go through to get there. Nothing more, nothing less.

Planning sounds a lot like Flower.... it sounds a lot like Mung Bean Curry Recipes and "lets get 40 from the first 10 overs"..... planning sounds a lot like "made by analysis of data".

I dont think you can say England havent planned, its just that they have become so entrenched in planning and what not that they have breed a generation of cricketers that cant think on their feet, or dont play to any match situation. So much thought dedicated to the ins and outs, so much planning, not enough "you know, just hit the thing". Our best player goes out and expresses himself, no surprise there.

My example of Australia shows just how uncomplicated things can be. Pick guys on form, tell them to play......in 2011 Australia hadnt a clue what their side would be, but they picked people who looked to have some useful attributes.

England on the other hand had the best T20 batter in the world and couldnt pick him because his county form wasnt good enough

Tear up the bloody books on planning, burn them, pick 11 guys and tell them to go smash it

Again rather an irrational responce, made all the stranger because it contradicts itself.

How should England select these 11 players? What are they going to be looking for? What performances are they going to use as indicators?

That's a plan. To say, we're going to pick aggressive batsmen, we're going to look at players scoring quickly in limited overs cricket, that is planning. England need to go one step further and say we're going to build up a pool of players who have international experiance.

Essentially anything other than selecting players at random is planning, which makes your stand point all the more bizarre as you consistantly have said that England need to change their approach on these forums.

[rich1uk]

Bell 262 runs @ 52.40 @ SR 77.28
Joe 202 runs @ 40.40 @ SR 84.16
Moeen 192 runs @ 38.40 @ SR 105.49
Taylor 149 runs @ 37.25 @ SR 88.69
Jos 141 runs @ 35.35 @ SR 135.57

Bell is useless. There are much better run scoring batsman atm in England.Discuss.....

I would say anyone advocating that we should play luke wright in front of ian bell and use extremely small sample sizes to try to justify that, aren't really worth having a discussion with on the subject

[dan08]

Bell 262 runs @ 52.40 @ SR 77.28
Joe 202 runs @ 40.40 @ SR 84.16
Moeen 192 runs @ 38.40 @ SR 105.49
Taylor 149 runs @ 37.25 @ SR 88.69
Jos 141 runs @ 35.35 @ SR 135.57

Bell is useless. There are much better run scoring batsman atm in England.Discuss.....

Strike rate is terrible. Also, look at who he scored his runs against.

[braveneutral]

KP anyone?

[meninblue]

Bell 262 runs @ 52.40 @ SR 77.28
Joe 202 runs @ 40.40 @ SR 84.16
Moeen 192 runs @ 38.40 @ SR 105.49
Taylor 149 runs @ 37.25 @ SR 88.69
Jos 141 runs @ 35.35 @ SR 135.57

Bell is useless. There are much better run scoring batsman atm in England.Discuss.....

Strike rate is terrible. Also, look at who he scored his runs against.

Other batters also batted against same teams.

[rich1uk]

having a plan in itself isn't the problem

how prescriptive and formulaic the plan is, how rigidly it is applied and whether it takes account of what lessons need to be learned is whats important

[meninblue]

4 year strategy is important but it should not be at the coat of losing many series.

[Gingerfinch]

Do any teams have four year plans? Seems a bit risky to have one goal, which is so far away.

[Durhamfootman]

England had a 4 year plan for this one

look how well that turned out

[rich1uk]

England had a 4 year plan for this one

look how well that turned out

I think England had a 5 year plan , it will all come good next year, just a tad late

[Arthur Crabtree]

England's batting stats for last two years against top eight sides.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... pe=batting

[meninblue]

England have to win next few series.That imo is now more important than plan for next 4 years.