Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

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Postby shankycricket » Sun May 03, 2015 2:52 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I'm not sure it looked like he was just rusty. He seemed to be trying to bowl as flat and as fast as possible.

There was a lot of responsibility resting on him too, as the main spinner on a pitch that would be expected to help him most. That wasn't the case in the summer, when his wickets felt like a bit of a bonus.

Nail on the head there, Arthur. Its one thing taking all those wickets against a side supposedly good against spin (and he took 20 in the series, which is quite significant) after the seamers have softened them up but delivering when you are expected to lead the way in spin friendly conditions and the entire focus is a different matter altogether. This is something even Nathan Lyon, one of the better spinners in the world these days, has failed at, save for the Adelaide test against India. I suppose having 2 spinners in such circumstances, taking the pressure off each other could work. England need to find options to complement/compete with Moeen. Rashid is a social media darling (and I must admit I am an unashamed lover of legspin) but George Dobell and many other journalists who have watched him on tour so far, have described him as unselectable, which is pretty damning. Although Dobell said he is actually improving after the tinkering of the action, although spinning it a bit less (but still spinning it).
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 3:23 pm

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bhaveshgor wrote:In my eyes their were actually decent in the 3rd test considering the game went to the 5th day and their was a genuine chance of that game being a draw.

Which Test did you watch? They lost almost each and every session in that Test (and in the last 2 of course). It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a top ranked side.


Without troubling to look it up (I'm on an exercise bike, watching a film and typing), but I seem to remember India starting the third Test well, and then the impetus being lost through some debatable umpiring decisions. Bell should have been out lbw, was it first ball, dead. But instead he compiled a series turning innings. Admittedly, India folded, but it isn't too fanciful to compose an entirely different outcome to the series from that point.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby alfie » Sun May 03, 2015 3:31 pm

captaincolly wrote:Geoffrey Boycott in fine form on the TMS podcast lambasting Mooen and Root's spin bowling as the worst he's ever seen from England spinners. A new member of the Boycott batting dynasty was mentioned as someone who would enjoy batting against them-his daughter and her fellow members of the school hockey team!


Was this just with a bat , or with a stick of rhubarb ?
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby alfie » Sun May 03, 2015 3:42 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
shankycricket wrote:
bhaveshgor wrote:In my eyes their were actually decent in the 3rd test considering the game went to the 5th day and their was a genuine chance of that game being a draw.

Which Test did you watch? They lost almost each and every session in that Test (and in the last 2 of course). It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a top ranked side.


Without troubling to look it up (I'm on an exercise bike, watching a film and typing), but I seem to remember India starting the third Test well, and then the impetus being lost through some debatable umpiring decisions. Bell should have been out lbw, was it first ball, dead. But instead he compiled a series turning innings. Admittedly, India folded, but it isn't too fanciful to compose an entirely different outcome to the series from that point.


Some overplaying of the "poor decisions" , I think , Arthur. Bell may have been lucky to survive an early lbw shout ; but he only came to the wicket at 213/2 , so England were arguably on the way to a big score either way.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby captaincolly » Sun May 03, 2015 3:44 pm

alfie wrote:
captaincolly wrote:Geoffrey Boycott in fine form on the TMS podcast lambasting Mooen and Root's spin bowling as the worst he's ever seen from England spinners. A new member of the Boycott batting dynasty was mentioned as someone who would enjoy batting against them-his daughter and her fellow members of the school hockey team!


Was this just with a bat , or with a stick of rhubarb ?

The hockey stick I think! No mention of the trusty rhubarb.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 3:45 pm

I reckon Ballance got a couple of good shouts. Just Bell's was most memorable.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 3:46 pm

Big partnership this one.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby alfie » Sun May 03, 2015 3:52 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:Big partnership this one.


Certainly important. Hopefully big.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 3:57 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:I reckon Ballance got a couple of good shouts. Just Bell's was most memorable.


Though I could well be remembering it it wrongly.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby KipperJohn » Sun May 03, 2015 4:10 pm

Arthur Crabtree wrote:
Arthur Crabtree wrote:I reckon Ballance got a couple of good shouts. Just Bell's was most memorable.


Though I could well be remembering it it wrongly.


There was no DRS and were given not out on the field.

Anyway after scoring 143 in the first test here Bell's had a wretched time in the last two tests. Just one of those things or has he got a problem?
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 4:25 pm

KipperJohn wrote:[
There was no DRS and were given not out on the field.


Which is my point.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby ianp1970 » Sun May 03, 2015 4:26 pm

Oh dear...
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Arthur Crabtree » Sun May 03, 2015 4:28 pm

I've gone past thinking Broad will make some runs just because it would be perverse and now I expect him to get out straight away.

Which he has.

With the help for the bowlers, I can't see Anderson sticking around.

I can see him winning the game with the ball though.
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby Gingerfinch » Sun May 03, 2015 4:29 pm

Are we still favourites? Not seen much play, but I'm guessing the wicket is deteriorating?
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Re: Third Test: West Indies v England, 1-5 May.

Postby ianp1970 » Sun May 03, 2015 4:29 pm

Jos needs to farm the strike now, 20 runs could be all important...
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