Pakistan v England, limited overs matches. UAE, 2015.

[meninblue]

Virat himself has 23 tons and 34 fifty's in 158 innings. England top 7 cumulative ( Jason, Alex, Joe, Jos, Morgan, Taylor, Moeen) have 22 tons and 62 fifty's in 354 innings.

ABD himself has 23 tons and 47 fifty's in 187 innings. England top 7 cumulative ( Jason, Alex, Joe, Jos, Morgan, Taylor, Moeen) have 22 tons and 62 fifty's in 354 innings.

England are playing good cricket in this ODI series, but to compare them with top ranked teams like Australia, India, South Africa is too much. One top player each of India and South Africa are far ahead of England 's 7 players put together. It shows in team rankings as well

Unfair to compare the World's best limited overs batsmen to six England batsmen who have made their ODI debuts between 6 months and 4 years ago.

Time will tell but the current England ODI batting line up have an enormous amount of potential to achieve what AB and Kohli have done, maybe more.

India and South Africa have two players each who average over 50 !! while having a SR over 89 each except ABD who has SR of 100.

Teams require such high performance players with top class average: SR ratio. England has never had such a player in their lineup. It makes difference and effects the results, ranking etc. Okay, that has not happened in decades but couple of players needs to step up and give such performance. If not in batting then they have to develop players or find ones who excel in other departments by having top class all rounder or top class bowlers.

Also apart from the high performance players, the other players need to have a healthy average: SR ratio in this format.

An individual will consider inexperience, potential etc but the rankings, series wins, world cup wins, average : SR ratio of players will never consider such reasons. What happens practically is more important than what happens in potential at this level.

[Gingerfinch]

None of our players compare with De-Villiers, who is an all time great. Buttler on his day is as devastating, but he's nowhere near as consistent. That said, our top seven does have a nice mixture of aggression and power, not seen by our fans before.

[Aidan11]

All we need now is a number 3 or 4 who can hit the ball like Jos.


And no, this wasn't a veiled reference to KP. Although that would be good he is 35 now and even if the ECB relented he would only be a short term pick so that argument is redundant.

Time to look for the new KP but one who is a thoroughly nice bloke.

[Arthur Crabtree]

KP would be a good pick for Taylor in the T20 side, and arguably (fitness permitting), should be in the Test side. He wouldn't get into the ODI team, but you wouldn't rule him out in case of a run of injuries.

[hopeforthebest]

KP would be a good pick for Taylor in the T20 side, and arguably (fitness permitting), should be in the Test side. He wouldn't get into the ODI team, but you wouldn't rule him out in case of a run of injuries.

Maybe Strauss will be making another house call any day now to welcome KP back into the fold.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Well, these are wrongs that will never be righted I suppose. Though they could call him up to the T20 side right now, and it would do Strauss some good to draw back from the rather shoddy Machiavellian strategy he employed to keep Kevin outside. I'm not sure he should now block off the development of a younger players, but a shot at the WCT20 would offer him valediction and an implied apology.

Anyway, sorry, this shouldn't be on this thread...

[alfie]

Well, there is a sense in which a newspaper writes a story about matchfixing, and thereby creates the environment in which the governing body investigates, which then justifies the original article!

But, I'm just reporting the news.

Ha ! Don't be coy , AC , you love a good conspiracy theory

[westoelad]

Pakistan's results are so variable that it leads to that suspicion that all is not right. That's why I don't get too excited when we perform well against them.

[hopeforthebest]

Well, these are wrongs that will never be righted I suppose. Though they could call him up to the T20 side right now, and it would do Strauss some good to draw back from the rather shoddy Machiavellian strategy he employed to keep Kevin outside. I'm not sure he should now block off the development of a younger players, but a shot at the WCT20 would offer him valediction and an implied apology.

Anyway, sorry, this shouldn't be on this thread...

From what I remember of the interview Downton gave to Agnew on TMS that caused problems he also complained about the attacks on the ECB by Piers Morgan and I believe that KP's continued friendship with him is also a barrier to any rapprochement with KP. The old adage 'you are judged by the company you keep' applies here.

[backfootpunch]

Pakistan's results are so variable that it leads to that suspicion that all is not right. That's why I don't get too excited when we perform well against them.

They lose against everyone in ODIs hence there low ranking

[KipperJohn]

Apart from possibly Morgan, I don't see the point of trying to compare our batsmen with the likes of De Villiers and Kholi - who are far more experienced. Who knows what the likes of Hales, Roy, Buttler etc may, or may not, achieve in their careers.

A very good series win by England in a difficult environment - congratulations.

[Alviro Patterson]

Virat himself has 23 tons and 34 fifty's in 158 innings. England top 7 cumulative ( Jason, Alex, Joe, Jos, Morgan, Taylor, Moeen) have 22 tons and 62 fifty's in 354 innings.

ABD himself has 23 tons and 47 fifty's in 187 innings. England top 7 cumulative ( Jason, Alex, Joe, Jos, Morgan, Taylor, Moeen) have 22 tons and 62 fifty's in 354 innings.

England are playing good cricket in this ODI series, but to compare them with top ranked teams like Australia, India, South Africa is too much. One top player each of India and South Africa are far ahead of England 's 7 players put together. It shows in team rankings as well

Unfair to compare the World's best limited overs batsmen to six England batsmen who have made their ODI debuts between 6 months and 4 years ago.

Time will tell but the current England ODI batting line up have an enormous amount of potential to achieve what AB and Kohli have done, maybe more.

India and South Africa have two players each who average over 50 !! while having a SR over 89 each except ABD who has SR of 100.

Teams require such high performance players with top class average: SR ratio. England has never had such a player in their lineup. It makes difference and effects the results, ranking etc. Okay, that has not happened in decades but couple of players needs to step up and give such performance. If not in batting then they have to develop players or find ones who excel in other departments by having top class all rounder or top class bowlers.

Also apart from the high performance players, the other players need to have a healthy average: SR ratio in this format.

An individual will consider inexperience, potential etc but the rankings, series wins, world cup wins, average : SR ratio of players will never consider such reasons. What happens practically is more important than what happens in potential at this level.

The likes of Dhoni and Kohli did not become World Class from debut, they honed their skills and learnt their trade whilst collecting a combined 436 ODI caps.

Career averages and strike rates are irrelevant for emerging internationals. 3 years ago Kane Williamson was barely averaging above 30 in Tests and ODIs, now he's become a World Class act. England's new batsmen will have their time at some point.

[Arthur Crabtree]

Apart from possibly Morgan, I don't see the point of trying to compare our batsmen with the likes of De Villiers and Kholi - who are far more experienced. Who knows what the likes of Hales, Roy, Buttler etc may, or may not, achieve in their careers.

A very good series win by England in a difficult environment - congratulations.

Yes, exactly.

Maybe best to judge these performances against what these players themselves were doing a year ago, or two years ago. For most of them, it involved playing CC, or just T20 internationals.

[Arthur Crabtree]

England's ODI results since the WC have given credence to the possibility that promising players may well produce better results than experienced ones. Picking experienced players who lose games and aren't performing seems to be motivated by fear and lack of confidence. But still that policy gets a great deal of support.

Although in this case, there is a huge other factor, in Moores no longer being coach.

[Arthur Crabtree]

I reckon there is a Test class opening bat and spinner, and third seamer in CC, who just will never get a chance or be discovered. Getting rid of the Lions games has made that even more possible. Some are hiding in plain sight, damaged by never having played age representative cricket for England, or maybe doing well in the wrong division. Others are actually doing well, like the seamers judged to be of the wrong pace. Or players of the wrong shape.